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the "shimmer" in le knight club tracks...

Post by Roulade » Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:39 am

does anyone know what the root of that "punch & shimmer" on a lot of tracks by le knight club (along with the buffalo bunch and however many other crydamoure acts) comes from? a prime example being "gator"

is it the natural compression/distortion etc that happens on a sp-202 or sp-303? or is it moreso a particular filter unit / filter + compressor combo?

nb: i am not talking about lush cs-80 samples thrown in to pad out the disco samples, specifically just how they manage to spark up the samples on their own.

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Post by Yoozer » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:40 pm

Do you have any mp3 fragments or good quality Youtube links (e.g. no cellphone or camera mic c**p)?
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Post by Roulade » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:35 am

the buffalo bunch "music box"
[youtube][/youtube]

le knight club "cherie d'amoure"
[youtube][/youtube]

le knight club "rhumba"
[youtube][/youtube]

sedat "the turkish avenger"
[youtube][/youtube]

deelat "wetness anthem"
[youtube][/youtube]

le knight club "soul bells" although this one is a bit closer to the discovery-era daft sound
[youtube][/youtube]

le knight club "coral twist"
[youtube][/youtube]

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Post by Roulade » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:07 am

ok so the youtube embed tag doesn't seem to work...

the buffalo bunch "music box"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-AI7LkXHzs

le knight club "cherie d'amoure"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNetiEMSbNI

le knight club "rhumba"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0vmf2zE3z4

sedat "the turkish avenger"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw0avFzjTsc

deelat "wetness anthem"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bCeEZ8r9g0

le knight club "soul bells" although this one is a bit closer to the discovery-era daft sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdTOir1mhrk

le knight club "coral twist"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLqf_hnMp68

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Post by Roulade » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:25 am

ps. is the crydamoure medallion just a photoshop "emboss" effect or could it actually be a real thing?

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Post by Roulade » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:26 am

pps. some of the stickers were great too

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Post by Yoozer » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:51 pm

Roulade wrote:ps. is the crydamoure medallion just a photoshop "emboss" effect or could it actually be a real thing?

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Photoshop, you can see the smudges on the bottom.

What you call punch and shimmer is better known as sidechain compression. The concept is that one audio signal (for instance, a single kick drum) "punches" the volume down of another audio signal (for instance, a complete song).

- Youtube and Google both have videos for pretty much all the software out there, since it's a very overused, tired effect by now ;).
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Post by pricklyrobot » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:40 pm

Roulade wrote:ps. is the crydamoure medallion just a photoshop "emboss" effect or could it actually be a real thing?

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Embossing would have the design raised above the main surface, this looks as if it's meant to resemble engraving. And yes, definitely Photoshop, whoever did it could use a bit more practice too. :wink:
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Post by Roulade » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:13 am

Yoozer wrote:
What you call punch and shimmer is better known as sidechain compression. The concept is that one audio signal (for instance, a single kick drum) "punches" the volume down of another audio signal (for instance, a complete song).

- Youtube and Google both have videos for pretty much all the software out there, since it's a very overused, tired effect by now ;).
thanks for that. i am, however, pretty aware of sidechaining and how played out it is (in my opinion mostly due to the ableton generation, et al).

what i'm talking about is not the sidechaining/ducking. for example, the guitar at the start of (and throughout) "cherie d'amoure". it is pretty crisp yet has a little bit of grit to it (which is nicely complimented by the glowing cs-80 chords). by the "punch" in "punch & shimmer" i mean how it comes through the mix with mids and highs yet doesn't sound harsh or tinny.

the opening of "soul bells" is another example but like i said it's a bit more daft so i think is probably more down to active bitcrushing and a mutator or some other glammed out filter

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Post by Yoozer » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:54 pm

Roulade wrote: for example, the guitar at the start of (and throughout) "cherie d'amoure". it is pretty crisp yet has a little bit of grit to it (which is nicely complimented by the glowing cs-80 chords). by the "punch" in "punch & shimmer" i mean how it comes through the mix with mids and highs yet doesn't sound harsh or tinny.
Ah, well, that's what you get with language - it can be ambiguous ;).

For guitars, try splitting the signal in two - one lowpassfiltered, one highpassfiltered, in such a way that having these play at the same time results in the original signal. Put the highpass filter cutoff frequency around 7-8khz, and apply a subtle distortion. This will create more higher frequency sounds without completely distorting the rest of the signal.

"Air" in vocals is often a subtle boost around 12khz.
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Post by Roulade » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:31 am

thanks for that

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Post by Hellhound » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:48 pm

Nice to see someone else who likes Crydamoure tracks.
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Post by Roulade » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:06 pm

nice to see the Blow Up EP -era logo/artwork instead of fluoro-shirted dudes at a festival going "MY PEOPLES MAAAAAATE!"

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Post by Hair » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:17 pm

Honestly, I think most of the Crydamour stuff is a product of old 12-bit samplers aliasing and sampling direct from vinyl, similar to the way a lot of old hip hop records were made (maybe MPC60, SP-1200). If you don't have a hardware piece, there's a windows VST called JB Time Machine which emulates the characteristics of old samplers which might get you halfway there: http://www.jeroenbreebaart.com/audio_vst.htm (bottom of the page)

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Post by Roulade » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:28 pm

Hair, excellent, thank you very much for that, some solid info

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