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zoom st-224?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:22 am
by tekkentool
has anybody got any experience with one of these?. i have no hardware sampler currently, and there is one going for a pittance on ebay right now so i'm wondering if it's worth it? just to hold off until i can buy a better one.

I like all kinds of music

i'm just wondering if it will end out being useful for me and not just a toy? i just have no option to try it before buying so i'm trying to get a second opinion, seems there is a weird Cult following for these things.

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:41 pm
by meatballfulton
A pittance should be $100 or less. You can buy far more useful/powerful samplers in the $1-200 range.

It uses 4MB (thats M not G!!!) SmartMedia cards for storage which are a pain to find. Hopefully the unit already comes with one or more. Plus you'll want a card reader for transferring samples to your computer.

It does work, sounds grungy (low sample rates) and has a quirky MIDI setup. One annoyance is you can trigger loops from the front panel but not from MIDI, WTF. Many users have reported MIDI clock syncing issues. It's mostly for single shots and loops, you can do multisampling (I had mine loaded with Mellotron samples) but it's clumsy.

I had fun with mine but it soon gave me the taste for a more powerful sampler.

Supermel, you out there? I recall you had one, too.

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:08 pm
by mama.
i really like mine. I always mess up punching in data to the sequencer and i can never quite chop the sample to trigger on time(ie comes out miliseconds after the trigger or is missing the start of the sample). i could never get the loops to sync together seems silly anyhow.

anyways its really fun if you don't have anything in mind

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:51 am
by gmeredith
I was nearly going to buy one years ago, but I read the MIDI specs and it seemed to show that the samples were not velocity sensitive over MIDI - which was an essential to me. Is that correct?

Cheers, Graham

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:54 am
by tekkentool
cool, thanks for the help. i figure with gear like an MPC2000XL i could probably flip it again without much of a loss if i don't end out using/needing it.

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:55 pm
by Dj Pound
I remember back in 2001 when I first got my ES-1, at the same place they also had one of those Zooms..the ST224 that your talking about. I demo-ed it and was not impressed :?
So I ended up getting the ES-1 instead, which IMO is a much better sampler/sequencer :mrgreen:

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:54 am
by tekkentool
thanks DJ-pound. i decided against it in the end. one of the korg samplers would be really nice for the effects but i'm still unsure. i'm thinking a second hand sp-505 would be pretty good.

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:46 pm
by supermel74
meatballfulton wrote: Supermel, you out there? I recall you had one, too.
Yup. Neat little unit to use by itself but didn't work well at all with midi which killed it for me. Still, as a simple and fun stand alone unit tio muck around on it's really fun. Too bad it wasn't able to be powered with batteries :?

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:10 pm
by tekkentool
thanks for all the replies. not useful enough, however does anyone have any recommendations for a keyboard sampler? cheap if possible?

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:52 pm
by Dj Pound
tekkentool wrote:thanks for all the replies. not useful enough, however does anyone have any recommendations for a keyboard sampler? cheap if possible?
An ESX comes to mind :)

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:46 pm
by Milhouse
tekkentool wrote:thanks for all the replies. not useful enough, however does anyone have any recommendations for a keyboard sampler? cheap if possible?

Ensoniq EPS or EPS 16. I see them go for 200-300 bucks.

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:26 pm
by Dj Pound
oh...a keyboard/sampler, sampling keyboard #-o

what millhouse said...and ASR-10's are also pretty good!

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:13 pm
by Headphones.40
These are starting to go up in price, and are hard to find on eBay now, so if you come across one, try not to spend more than $200, and hopefully you get a SM card thrown in...

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:35 am
by Nannerfan
Great sampler.. worth it for the resampling and effects.. MUCH better sounding than an ES-1

Re: zoom st-224?

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:29 am
by treezyz
the sampletrak is a cool sampler. i use it to grunge things up before sending it to other samplers/fl studio or for pitching and timestretch with boss/roland sps (almost all of which lack these essential features, so i tag team cuz i dig those machines.)

a tip for a sp-1200 style sound, not quite as nice though: speed the record up to 45+10% pitch before you sample, sample at either hi or mid (usually mid for this.) slow it back down. alternative to use inside the machine is pitch a sample up between 6-10, resample, pitch it back down.

also i should note i really don't like the sequencer on this thing. i've never made a dope song on this thing by itself, but it's played a role in a lot of stuff i've made as a flavor unit, or pitch and timestretch for the sps as i said earlier.

for the highest example of stand-alone use i've heard recorded look for "the dirt machine" by a dude named formal. it's probably on google, it was free and made entirely with the sampletrak.