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Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschine?

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:43 am
by Sir Ruff
Was just randomly watching the videos and saw this feature (emulating the mpc60/sp1200). Anyone able to comment on how they sound compared to the real thing? Saw one brief clip where the guy played a single cymbal sound through the different modes.... really helpful! :roll:
I would want to know if it adds all the aliasing you get from either vintage machine when down-tuning.

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 5:43 pm
by localilocano
I think most software emulations whether it be ableton redux chained with a saturator, d16 decimort, maschine, etc
All do a really good job at emulating the sound of the mpc 60. Sp1200 is a bit harder to emulate because of the analog filters and outputs.

The best way to sound hi fi is to make sure your samples recorded or used are in mono.

If you are recording vinyl to your computer make sure you record at a level that is a small value short of hitting the red on your meters.

If you sample vinyl record the break at 45rpm then pitch it down with the software sampler. Pitch in light increments to see which tones you like


Hope that helps

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:03 am
by Sir Ruff
localilocano wrote:I think most software emulations whether it be ableton redux chained with a saturator, d16 decimort, maschine, etc
All do a really good job at emulating the sound of the mpc 60. Sp1200 is a bit harder to emulate because of the analog filters and outputs.

The best way to sound hi fi is to make sure your samples recorded or used are in mono.

If you are recording vinyl to your computer make sure you record at a level that is a small value short of hitting the red on your meters.

If you sample vinyl record the break at 45rpm then pitch it down with the software sampler. Pitch in light increments to see which tones you like


Hope that helps

Thanks for the suggestions, but I think you might have been missing my basic question, which was how well does Maschine emulate the Sp1200? I know everyone always mentions the filters, but for me, the SP sound is all about the incredible aliasing you get when pitching samples down... This would have to be a prerequisite for any software claiming to emulate that machine.

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:40 pm
by ninja6485
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ok, hope this helps: i don't have a real s1200, but i did a selection of demos in maschine for you. these are all using the S1200 emulator with no filter selected. 2 vocal, one using maschines 909 kit, and 2 with a selection from herbie hancocks butterfly. one vocal is using the pitch automation (the fast one) and one is the sample stepped either lower or higher. the same goes for the two herbie hancock samples. the 909 just has sounds pitched lower or higher. each one is a .wav exported using the export group function. i don't really notice too much of a difference between maschines normal mode and it's s1200 mode, but then again that's just me. it diddn't originaly have the feature, it was added recently as a public beta. seems more like a bonus/novelty kind of thing, unlike the destructive sampling feature that came with the same beta update. which rules!!! again, hope this is helps...

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:13 pm
by Sir Ruff
ninja6485 wrote:View My Video View My Video View My Video View My Video View My Video

ok, hope this helps: i don't have a real s1200, but i did a selection of demos in maschine for you. these are all using the S1200 emulator with no filter selected. 2 vocal, one using maschines 909 kit, and 2 with a selection from herbie hancocks butterfly. one vocal is using the pitch automation (the fast one) and one is the sample stepped either lower or higher. the same goes for the two herbie hancock samples. the 909 just has sounds pitched lower or higher. each one is a .wav exported using the export group function. i don't really notice too much of a difference between maschines normal mode and it's s1200 mode, but then again that's just me. it diddn't originaly have the feature, it was added recently as a public beta. seems more like a bonus/novelty kind of thing, unlike the destructive sampling feature that came with the same beta update. which rules!!! again, hope this is helps...
Ah, cool! Thanks for those... yeah, I can't hear much of a difference either. The last video seemed like it had a little of the high end aliasing, but certainly not of the extreme kind found in the SP.

(You're in Exton? My sister lives in Chester Springs-I was just out there [and am from that area]. Seems like the last place I'd expect to run into another VSE'r but you never know! :lol: )

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:38 pm
by space6oy
those are some gorgeous blank screens. ;)

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:43 pm
by ninja6485
Sir Ruff wrote:(You're in Exton? My sister lives in Chester Springs-I was just out there [and am from that area]. Seems like the last place I'd expect to run into another VSE'r but you never know! )
wow, what are the chances of that? usually your lucky if the people posting in your thread are from the same hemisphere. chester springs is a nice area! great back roads!
space6oy wrote:
those are some gorgeous blank screens. ;)
thx! you wouldn't believe how long i spent trying to get it perfectly blank only to realize there was a smudge on my screen lol. but yea...i wanted those little sound clip things that expand when you click on them, but all i got were those crappy video uploads. i'm surprised it worked actually! :lol:

so we've got the emulated sp1200, now...can we get some clips of the real thing?

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 5:14 pm
by Sir Ruff
ninja6485 wrote:so we've got the emulated sp1200, now...can we get some clips of the real thing?
Here you go! (Just a brief demo of some various samples)

SP-12 Demo

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:36 am
by ninja6485
yea...that sounds beautiful. the sp1200 emulation on mascine just isn't the same. :lol: thx for the demo btw. that's a great peice of gear.

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:12 am
by madtheory
ninja6485 wrote:yea...that sounds beautiful. the sp1200 emulation on mascine just isn't the same. :lol: thx for the demo btw. that's a great peice of gear.
I'll have to take your word for it. Lossy audio compression is never going to allow one to hear these subtle differences.

Re: Anyone used the "vintage drum machine" mode on NI Maschi

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:53 pm
by Joey
they put it in battery now -

it adds a cool aliasing to the sound, and I find myself using it a lot on my samples, but I don't really care if it sounds LIKE the sp1200 or whatever, it just sounds cool regardless...