SP-505/sp-404sx timestretch live performance???

[nadafarms]

So I'm working on putting together a live set, I want to have loops that can be time streched and slaved to my tr-909.

I'm waiting for the octatrack to come out, the thing is I don't need all those features I just want to be able to play loops that time stretch and slave to something and with maybe a basic sequencer.

I'm wondering if the sp-505 is the answer? I use ableton a lot but don't want to have a laptop at a gig, I had been looking at the sp-404sx but I thought it doesn't do time stretching?

any thoughts?

[cartesia]

dont go with an SP for stretching/loops.

There really isn't much that can do it till the octatrack comes out.. most will either not realtime stretch or just pitch the loop instead of using a stretching algorithm.

The KP3 is my pick of the looping gear there is around at the moment. it pitches samples to match the tempo and has a limit of 4bars per loop, but you can do alot with it (and with 2 it really comes into its own)

[nadafarms]

thanks yeah sounds like the sp series won't work for this.

i'm reading that the korg microsampler can timestretch and sync/slave to an external midi clock so maybe that is the next best bet. Octatrack is a pretty damn expensive sampler and I honestly just need to be able to play back loops and don't need all the frills of the octatrack

[Stab Frenzy]

I don't think the Microsampler will do it any better than the SP-404SX.

The only real options you have are Live or a V-Synth. Or you could just timestretch stuff in Live and load the pre-stretched samples into any sampler ready to go.

[nadafarms]

I don't think the Microsampler will do it any better than the SP-404SX.

The only real options you have are Live or a V-Synth. Or you could just timestretch stuff in Live and load the pre-stretched samples into any sampler ready to go.

are you sure? I can't find any user reviews about the time stretching on the microsampler but it sounds like it's better than the sp series at least. I imagine it sounds a bit grainy though.

I probably just need to wait and get an octatrack, ever since I "upgraded" to Ableton 8 it is so unreliable and glitchy I wouldn't dare play a show with it

[Stab Frenzy]

You should work out what's wrong with your computer that's causing the problems, Live 8.1 is totally stable. I'm gigging with it and it's fine.

[th0mas]

Live 8.1 is totally stable.

+1

[tallowwaters]

The Roland S7x0/DJ70 series have great time stretching...

[edfunction]

sorry to jump in and hijack the thread but is there a sampler that can play loops and change tempo? not neccessarily with time stretching (pitching up and down would be ok).
the sp808 is the only one that i can think of, and that had some other issues that made it difficult to use iirc...

[tallowwaters]

Any sampler can pitch a loop...

[edfunction]

I guess I wasn't clear enough.

Have loops running and be able to change the tempo. Actually just looking for a dedicated loop player that makes sense.
I'm not an mpc user, so I have to go from what my mpc-using buddy says... that if you have loops going you can't change the tempo and keep the loops in time. If you don't need to time-stretch I can't see why this isn't possible at least on the modern mpc's... I'm not a programmer but it was pretty easy to do this in max-msp, i just figured it would be feature on a lot of samplers, somehow (it seems (to me)) isn't.

perhaps I'm missing something, somewhere. wouldn't be the first time.

[tallowwaters]

If you're changing tempo, how in the h**l do you expect to keep anything in time?

[edfunction]

I guess I'm just asking the same as the OP, but I don't really mind if the loops change pitch when the tempo changes...

[cartesia]

KP3 or octatrack..

[yeahrightkid]

What about the Roland VP-9000? You've got to do a little work with it beforehand to encode the loops and all that, but it'll do exactly what you want. I picked mine up for 100 bucks, which is not that hard to do.