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EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:26 pm
by shadowmaster
hi,
I recently bought an EMU4000 turbo and I think about adding a hard disk.
Currently it has a floppy disk but I want to remove it and install a hard disk instrad.

As I understand it's 50 pin SCSI where I could also use 68 pin or 80 pin with adapters or even SATA disks with the Acard or the AztecMonster.

What are the limits of disk size?

Some new 80 or 68 pin SCSI have 36, 72 up to 300 GB.

And what is the format itself? It is possible to mount it in a linux PC having SCSI card?
Or is it something vintage Macs will detect?

In the manual it says it can format hard disks - so sort of disk management is possible with the EMU 4000 itself.

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:02 pm
by synthroom
Check out getting a couple Iomega Zip drives - one SCSI and one USB. Put the USB one on your PC and the other on the sampler. They can be found for $25 or so each. If you want more storage space, look for Jaz drives. (Hooking up a Scsi drive to a PC is a bit tougher but can be done depending on OS.)

It looks like some esi-4000 came with an internal Zip instead of a floppy.

Since it's 50 pins, try a 50 pin SCSI internal drive that's 1 to 2 gigs in size and see if it works. The esi-4000 worked with the Jaz so it can handle at least 1 gig hard drives.

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:29 pm
by Big Gnome
I don't have too much to add, but I've owned a couple of ESI-32s over the years. They do have the 50-pin SCSI interface (I had some success using a 25-50 pin adaptor with one CD-ROM drive). In my experience, they were very picky about what SCSI devices they would recognize--mine didn't take to all sorts of things including an Iomega zip drive and one or two CD-ROM drives--I ended up getting a SCSI-for-Samplers HD which worked perfectly. So make sure to do your homework before laying out any money.

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:51 pm
by vcs3

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:30 am
by madtheory
That would be madness. ESI4000 has SCSI, so a SCSI to SD adapter is all that is required. Much cheaper and easier.

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:14 pm
by synthroom
I would also not suggest an HxC - that's for replacing floppy drives, not hard drives.

There is this device that appeared recently:
http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index. ... le=SCSI2SD

I've not used on so I can vouch for it's function, but it's listed as working with several samplers/

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:04 am
by gmeredith
I have had SCSI hard drives in my ESi2000 and 4000. From memory there is a size barrier of 8GB, and some people have mentioned a 4GB - perhaps depending on the OS firmware version of the sampler. I have had 2GB scsi drives in mine with no problems - usually quantum fireballs or seagates that I ransacked from old apple computers.

I now have SCSI-CF card readers in both of mine - silent, fast, lightweight. I don't know why scsi hard drives have to be so noisy. For getting the samples onto the sampler I have a scsi card in my win98 studio machine. WinXP will handle SCSI but you have to do a lot of setup work to make it do it. Win98 handles it natively and smoothly. You'll need the Esi drivers loaded on the computer for the sampler for it to connect. Load up wav samples with Sound Forge or other editing program that allows single sample dump. Xtrakk works well for loading whole soundfont sf2 banks directly into the sampler over SCSI:

http://home.arcor.de/murmel999/files/xtrakkhelp.htm

Format - it's an Emu proprietary format - you can't see it under windows at least. Yes you can format the drive in the sampler - it's under the disk management menu, the manual should have the instructions. It's been a long while :)

The yahoo esi samplers group has everything in it that you need - programs, ESi drivers, SCSI info etc.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/emu ... s/messages

I did a lot of work there on SCSI to USB adapters for it. Join up if you can - not sure if it's administrated any more. If you can't, I have all the resources anyway. Beware there is a nasty troll on the site - you'll know by reading the past posts who it is.

Avoid zip disks if you can - they're annoying and unreliable, I started out with them. You'll soon run out of space with them anyway if you've maxed out your Esi to 128MB RAM (which is a MUST :D )

Cheers, Graham

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:32 am
by Ashe37
a lot of the 'noisy' SCSI drives are 15+ year old drives form when *all* drives were, comparatively, noisy.

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:35 pm
by Marco Koeller
synthroom wrote:There is this device that appeared recently:
http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index. ... le=SCSI2SD
I've not used on so I can vouch for it's function, but it's listed as working with several samplers
Great! Exactly what i was looking for. Thanks!

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:39 pm
by Marco Koeller
gmeredith wrote:I have had SCSI hard drives in my ESi2000 and 4000. From memory there is a size barrier of 8GB, and some people have mentioned a 4GB - perhaps depending on the OS firmware version of the sampler.
Hey, Graham. On the ESI-4000, you also can use HDs up to 15 GB of storage space. I have an ESI-4000 myself extended by an internal 15 GB HD, and meanwhile i have nearly 11 GB stored on that HD. Maybe it is just because i use the latest version of the OS. Dont know why, but it works.

There are some units for sale, like for example this:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/E-mu-ESI-4000-Sa ... 3f4af0ed0e

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:55 am
by gmeredith
It might be a limitation of the card readers perhaps....not that I've ever used a drive that big in it, I've just read people mentioning an 8GB limit with them. That's good to know you have a bigger one running - I also have the 3.02 firmware, so there shouldn't be a problem for me if I ever want to run something that big.

Cheers for that, Graham

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:02 am
by Ashe37
gmeredith wrote:It might be a limitation of the card readers perhaps....not that I've ever used a drive that big in it, I've just read people mentioning an 8GB limit with them. That's good to know you have a bigger one running - I also have the 3.02 firmware, so there shouldn't be a problem for me if I ever want to run something that big.

Cheers for that, Graham
FAT file format limit, FAT32 file format limit...

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:11 am
by gmeredith
You mean the ESi? I thought it formatted it to its own EMU proprietary format (which is why you can't see the drive under windows)??

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:48 am
by Ashe37
oh right i was thinking an E4k... anyway, its likely the same sort of thing.

Re: EMU 4000 Hard disk questions

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:31 am
by Marco Koeller
On my research for Samplers with internal harddisks, i found a thread where a user mentioned a SCSI-to-PCI adapter. Dont know, if such a thing exists, but if, it could be another possibility to mount younger harddisks than the SCSI ones.

My first PCs had SCSI drives, so i remember they were pretty loud and noisy back in that time. The Quantum HD which is mounted inside my ESI-4000 doesnt make any noises, by suprise. Only when the HD starts up, but after that, its really quiet.