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Future Retro 777

Post by Tim-N » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:02 pm

I recently acquired a FR777 (wanted an xtra basssynth instead of another 303).

Is there a way for fast and easy programming? I dont always quite understand the manual (im no native english speaker) and I find myself thing in 303terms when it comes to programming this device.

is there a quickstart guide somewhere around or a tool for suckers as me?

I'm aware I should put more effort into reading the manual but time is on short hands the coming 2 weeks and I do want some music to come out of it...

also, when I go from the CV from my tb303 to the CV in from the fr777, will it play the same notes?

(xbase09 sync out -> sync 303 / CV 303 -> CV in 777 => does this work properly?)

and CV cables are 3,5mm jacks or not?

thx for the info
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Post by clubbedtodeath » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:19 pm

Your cry for help will be better heard in the Help! section, to which I have moved this.

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Post by Soundwave » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:16 pm

The 777 is the WORST synth to get your head round so I recommend you sell it on and get an ER-1. :P








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Post by Tim-N » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:29 pm

I figured someone would come up with that

i know it isnt difficult but as with my tb I understand the spoken word (or experiences from people) better than the written one (manuals and such)

but hey, if you have $2500 up for it, pm me!!
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Re: Future Retro 777

Post by Syn303 » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:09 pm

Tim-N wrote:I recently acquired a FR777 (wanted an xtra basssynth instead of another 303).

Is there a way for fast and easy programming? I dont always quite understand the manual (im no native english speaker) and I find myself thing in 303terms when it comes to programming this device.
No fast way of programming apart from hands-on experimentation. If i remember correctly it's much the same as the revolution where you press one of the 16 step buttons and use the up/down buttons to assign your note to that step (F-R Mobius is the same) once you have assigned 16 step notes, just get tweaking... If 23 was here he would answer all your problems.


Tim-N wrote:I'm aware I should put more effort into reading the manual but time is on short hands the coming 2 weeks and I do want some music to come out of it...
Experiment with it, if you don't then it will be useless to you!

Tim-N wrote:also, when I go from the CV from my tb303 to the CV in from the fr777, will it play the same notes?
Quite possibly... same as running a cv out from the TB303 to a SH-101, the 101 will play exactly the same notes when you hit play on the 303.
Tim-N wrote:(xbase09 sync out -> sync 303 / CV 303 -> CV in 777 => does this work properly?)
Why don't you use the DIN Sync-24 feature instead of CV between the 303 and 777 ? That way the 777 won't play the same notes, of course the 777 sends only Sync-24 start/stop. So it will have to be 777 > 303

Xbase MIDI-OUT > 777 Midi-IN > 777 DIN Sync-24 > 303 Sync-IN, try it that way, of course you need a Sync-24 cable to do so, connect the 777 to the 303.
Tim-N wrote:and CV cables are 3,5mm jacks or not?
303 is minijack 3.5mm and 777 is possibly a 6.5mm jack
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Post by ford442 » Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:27 am

CV on the 777 is big, 1/4" jacks..
can the 777 really do DIN-sync? it only has a MIDI port and i thought that the sync 24 port was like an old midi style port..
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Post by haricots » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:01 am

There isn't DIN Sync on the 777. Plus just about any old MIDI cable will function fine as a DIN Sync cable as long as all the pins are wired. I have yet to come across one that doesn't (at least the various ones that I own).

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Post by Syn303 » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:54 pm

haricots wrote:There isn't DIN Sync on the 777.
Yeh sorry forgot the 777 doesnt have a DIN Sync-24 output, guess he would have to buy a Kenton Pro Interface like a Pro-Solo or Pro-2000.
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Re: Future Retro 777

Post by shaft9000 » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:35 pm

Tim-N wrote: is there a quickstart guide somewhere around or a tool for suckers as me?

I'm aware I should put more effort into reading the manual but time is on short hands the coming 2 weeks and I do want some music to come out of it...
Well if you look at the last page in the manual (v 3.x manual that is) it shows just which knobs are used to replicate TB-303 sounds.
From there it's a matter of getting familiar w/ how you can blend/detune the 2+2 oscs. Then get a handle on the EGs for the filter (bottom right knobs are decay int & amt iirc) and the amp (top row middle two knobs). It will take a LOT of jamming & exploring until you can creatively anticipate what will happen when you introduce Filter FM (it's bizarre to say the least), and then of course the Osc FM is just positively c r a z y since the osc frequencies can intermodulate other sections besides the osc's themselves. Keep overdrive and distortion down if you want to hear what the FM sounds like in a fundamental way. There is no proper LFO or attack EG, remember. This is a bass/pattern machine primarily.
I wouldn't even worry about the 7dB filter if i were you, until you get the osc and filter FM under your belt. The 7dB filter confuses people at first as it seems to suck the highs out - but this is because the slope is so steep that to really get the most from the 7dB it helps to employ the Filter FM amount knob to open up high frequency detail. New timbral possibilites extend the range even further thanks to the 7dB mode.
Don't even worry about what the CV mod & Warp circuits does until the other things are familiar.
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Post by sensorium » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:06 pm

Tim-N wrote:i know it isnt difficult but as with my tb I understand the spoken word (or experiences from people) better than the written one (manuals and such)
Well, I could explain this very easily. You would be a master of this machine in minutes....but, unfortunately you don't like written instructions. If you give me your e-mail address I can send you an MP3 of me speaking the 5 words I was going to post here. Those 5 words will help you master the 777. :wink:

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