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already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by aToneOnTail » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:54 pm

Hey gang! I was hoping someone could help sway me in the right direction as I am dealing with a total dilemma. SO price points are Karp for $450 and ms20mini + Sq10 for $300. I have an ms-10 already, which i absolutely love, additionally i have a beatstep pro so the sq-10 isnt to much of a deciding factor. I do both sequencing and playing. But i play very minimally. Influences are DAF and Front 242.

Thoughts anyone?

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Re: already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by commodorejohn » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:03 pm

Hard to say, because both are awesome. If you've already got some of the Korg tone with the MS-10, adding the Kodyssey for variety might not be a bad idea, and it can do some things the MS-20 can't, like PWM, oscillator sync, and oscillator/filter FM - on the other hand, the MS-20 Mini has a resonant highpass filter, which opens the door to all kinds of excellent sounds.
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Re: already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by aToneOnTail » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:21 pm

yeah I am really torn haha.

Another thought to consider is that either would be played live along side the MS-10. Patches would have to be changed on the fly.

Additionally I could technically hook both the ms10 and ms20 up to each other to get even more tonal experimentation. Patches would have to be changed on the fly,

having tone variance is important, but having two osc, no matter wha,t is going to give me some tonal difference from the ms10

One thing i did really like about the Karp while playing it was the ability to kbd trig the S&H, that way i could play the "computer sound" to my own tempo technically. Something i do live. is this possible with the MS-20?

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Re: already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by commodorejohn » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:44 pm

aToneOnTail wrote:One thing i did really like about the Karp while playing it was the ability to kbd trig the S&H, that way i could play the "computer sound" to my own tempo technically. Something i do live. is this possible with the MS-20?
Yep. There's no switch for it, but it's easy to do via the patch bay - plug the KBD TRIG OUT jack into the CLOCK input of the S&H and you get exactly that.
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Re: already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by aToneOnTail » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:45 pm

Additionally I should add that I have a PolySix as well, if this helps out at all in the deciding factor.

Thanks!

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Re: already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by commodorejohn » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:01 pm

I wouldn't know, I've never played one. But the Polysix is based on standard SSM oscillators & filters whereas the MS-20 uses discrete oscillators and the Korg35 filter, so I don't imagine they're that comparable.
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Re: already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by aToneOnTail » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:23 am

Yep I would agree they are not comparable. Nor to Karp, all three are different beasts.

But having played the Karp and going over video after video... Im beginning to feel the Karp might be a little to "tinny" in timbre compared to the MS-20 and my DX7 already has a very "tinny" sounds :D FM synthesis.

So yeah im leaning towards the MS-20 now

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Re: already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by commodorejohn » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:39 am

The MS-20 is certainly worth owning (though you might find yourself wanting to pick up a Kodyssey down the road as well :D)
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Re: already have Ms-10, thinking about Karp and ms20

Post by V301H » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:16 am

If Sample & Hold is important you definitely want the Odyssey. The best S & H I have ever come across with several source and routing options. Far better than the Track & Hold found on the MS20 and you don't have to do any complex patching to use it. The Odyssey allows you to apply Lag to S & H which can give you some unique effects as the random voltage changes can slide rather than change instantly. The Odyssey's non-resonant HP filter is very useful for rolling off low frequencies so you can tailor the overall sound the way you want without having to use narrow Pulse waves to thin out the sound. The wide range of the HP can roll off a just a little excess bass or thin the sound to almost nothing.
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