I think I can steer this thread back on topic while commenting, so bear with me:
jxalex wrote:setup 1:
ASUS P5P800S 3.4GHz CPU single core, 1GB RAM, WIN98SE, MOTU Midi Express XT, SB Live, M-audio Delta 1010LT
running Cubase VST
setup 2: same hardware as 1, but running Madtracker 2.6.1
setup 3: 486 100MHz, 32MB RAM, SCSI, Soundblaster(16???) running Fasttracker 2.06...2.09 versions under DOS7.1
What I see there for setup 1 and 2 is in not upgrading to Windows XP, the latest WDM features in the sound blaster ASIO driver could not be used. Win98SE did have WDM as well as VXD, but Cubase likely was going to take full advantage of ASIO, whereas other audio software at the time when these were new would not. ASIO for Soundblaster Live did not even readily mature until the mid 2000's anyway, if I recall. I personally switched to Echo audio interfaces well before 2003. If you were using MME, well I can certainly see why you'd get clicking and glitching without a ridiculously high sample buffer setting.
The m-Audio ASIO driver was used for both Cubase and Madtracker. They used the 336 sample buffer if all works.
The only difference I see was that in XP it could use 256 sample buffer, what it had to offer. MME driver was NOT used.
In the WIN98SE most of it was already unofficial in my setup due to extra patches and packages (the original does not support more than 512MB RAM, neither there is USB support etc.)
SB Live 1024 I used only for its wavetable capability (so, driving it via MIDI) after loading up the samples to its memory, waveOut, DirectX, MME driver was NOT in use.
So full capability for ASIO was in use in fact, but only with M-audio and SB was left for MIDI only. However when I had the crackling issue then only MOTU midi interface was in use and m-Audio with ASIO buffer 336 samples (with 800..1056 samples was it fixed when I had just 3..4 MIDI tracks).
MIDI driving makes a system hog?
In your DOS setup though, what other choices were there besides Opcode Vision, and even then you still have to record to ADAT or 4 track? Pro Tools it is not.
I havent used Opcode VIsion however I would like to try such one. In dos still I had for my MIDI sequencers FastTracker 2. I just mapped the samples to MIDI channels, synths were mixed and recorded with another computer.
I use it sometimes with Gravis Ultrasound MAX and PnP Interwave, other days with SB Awe 64Gold.
This brings me to my original thread proposal: Trying to keep up with the latest changes. I already would lose my MotU 828 mkII interface if I upgraded everything to a brand new desktop, because there is no driver for Windows 10.
welcome. Thats why I despise all this. They render obsolete the whole line useful expensive hardware just becouse
they think not to support it.
Their thoughts are entirely different from engineering or development. It is more about organizing and marketing, how to keep customers on the hook. Which means that I just keep the old machine TOO with the existing system (so thats why the Fasttracker with DOS system and in other machine Cubase with pentium 4), both I can use with hardware synths.
About upgrades I see that every time it is expensive, it costs hardware, software, introduces again the blues with trial-error with drivers, and being beta tester again for a software company. I say that they certainly launch the program and begin fixing bugs afterwards. I have heard that several times as a software developer and I quit becouse of that.
So that converges the two ideas: "Why should we have to upgrade at all?" I don't really follow the idea that software vendors hate their users and see them only as "consumers". But the fact remains, if they wish to stay in business, they both must keep up with changing technology and continue selling new product. This despite rampant piracy, plenty of
Well, how long they can develop a WORD PROCESSOR?
For basic functions the version from 1994 is more than enough for 99.995% people!!!
That was in my mind. But with sequencer -- most functions are with Cubase certainly in a Cubase SX, if not even Cubase VST (so more than 10 years back). But the most basic functions in some versions work, in others not working again etc. if JUST to want to use MIDI then I am in trouble.
What escapes my mind is that how arrogant the software company can be, saying that they do not support this or that nowadays. So, if I pay for the next version there is NO GUARANTEE that I get what was advertised!
On 1998 when I asked from a Plextor a software for WIN3.x (at the year 1998 !!), by mentioning that TEAC supports WIN3.x then they sent extra software with floppy disc right away! However it was NOT the standard package, they included it anyway. And I was individual, not institution. I got my wish. Those were the times.
But there is no such support anymore and companies just ignore if the customer is not a big institution. Neither from the shareware and smaller developers who have very narrow circle of users (like a tracker for chiptune making, which is extreme and must say that certainly no way that they should exclude some gentlemen who like to use some retro system, whereas there are just 250 users max), but still... nothing. They go too the big-corporation-mentality like it is a M$ text editor software sold for governments.
I see that perhaps the software developers get the main income not from the individual users, but from the studios and such institutions (ProTools ?). Thats how is their price sticker. Still, if it needs to be top notch software, I really have no idea why they do not do it from the scratch -- as a separate single-tasking system with support for soundcards.
exciting, and I'd like to be on the cutting edge when it happens. Windows 10 also has, for the first time in a Microsoft OS, made specific kernel level enhancements to lower latency and improve performance specifically for audio and midi.
I do not think so, as they have made some things broken in order to fix them. What are they up to now?
Yet we still read many troubles about the win10 with the cubase. The privacy intrusion in win10 which is left alone if you register as a corporate user.
It has been long time that at first the item comes to market with good features for a latest OS, if I wait longer then another product will come with support for older OS and older hardware too which sometimes goes beyond expectations. So some CAN do. And thats why I see no point of changing machine. However most people do not do this way as I do.
But result somewhat is that I am happy that I have still kept machine for DOS, other older machines. Only the latest OS systems are those who do not get use. Perhaps after some years I do not use XP, which get replaced by Linux, but I still use 98SE and DOS.
And well, EVERY time these "upgrade" processes are downtime to me. Where I can do nothing. If the system will crash, then ok, I restore it from backup, but THIS process is nowhere near to straight install-and-use where all clicks in place. And it costs money, but I never do that again when it comes to M$ system. And hey, how many times man has to buy such expensive software packages just "becouse" some greedy corporations think that this or that is morally outdated?!
more than any instrument ever invented, but we are certainly nowhere near that yet. That aspect in itself is something I'd like to witness and participate in its maturing stages. Imagine the evolution from flat-screen display, keyboard and mouse, to some kind of HUD or hologram you control with brain waves, and all the steps in between.
many things are nowadays, but to me it is unusable becouse of...
...they still are full of bugs
...they are not under my control
...and they cheat when they develop it. Just like they do with M$ office, in this version there is assistant, in the next version its gone, and so on.
I have.. or trying to have ... open mind for a new versions and systems too, but so far from now to just get some pleasure I use what works -- DOS with Fasttracker, and Cubase VST32 with 98SE. Atleast both of them I can use with my hardware synthesizers.
And if just having some time, then I can digest into the new computers, but I doubt it as I am a way too good beta tester.
But it can happen that I would get old Fairlight CMIII instead of the next computers with VST3 hosts.
BECOUSE I do not want to spend time for guessing and betatesting lazy corporations software, I want to use it for music creating, and that I buy it once and use it always. Thats why I love also hardware becouse of its longevity and usability. With computers I already know whats waiting, with Fairlight I dont. Not yet.