Yamaha DX 7 Vs Roland JV-1080

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Yamaha DX 7 Vs Roland JV-1080

Post by xesevolcisum » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:49 am

Hi guys/gals, im caught up between getting a synth here, the yamaha dx7 and the roland jv1080, the roland being the rack version of the xp50,im looking for some old school kind of sound, like from the 80's or something, would like to know which would work as a better synth that way,thanks.

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Re: Yamaha DX 7 Vs Roland JV-1080

Post by philip » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:55 am

Well, I think XP is more 90s style

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Re: Yamaha DX 7 Vs Roland JV-1080

Post by Pro5 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:39 pm

If you are looking for 80s sounds why are you limiting yourself to those 2 synths (one a rack rompler the other an FM synth that will need effects units and such to get sounding as 'nice'). Depends on what kinds of sounds you want.

If you want true 80s 'vibe' maybe you should be looking at some Roland Analogs? JX-3P, Junos etc. JX-3P can be had for less/same as a tatty DX7 and is analog but stable and has a fair variety of 80s sounds and nice Roland chorus/filter.

If you are looking at Romplers then JV1080 isn't really '80s sounding' it's more a workhorse sound module with 'generic' strings, pianos, synthy sounds etc (basically everything you could need pretty much starting out) but doesn't have specific 80s character. FM of course can sound very 80s but you may feel limited with JUST a DX7 (esp if you have no outboard/effects).

If you are only going to have one synth and you can only choose between those 2 then JV1080 is going to give far nicer results for a full 'mix', it has effects built in and all kinds of real/synthy sounds. DX7 can do Electric Pianos and very FM-esque tones and atmospheres but can sound quite dry without extra effects, though it IS the more 80s sounding of the 2 of course. It's hard to compare them though and say '80s sounds wanted' as there are other synths that will sound both NICE out of the box and be unmistakably 80s sounding (if you don't program them to sound different). I'd say get a Juno 2, nice little keyboard analog but again stable and mostly digital in the way it operates (controls etc) and sounds nice enough, you'll get plenty of PWM synth tones out of that, and some pads/strings and it will sound quite 80s. JX3P has more character and an even heavier 80s tone but the keyboard doesn't have velocity etc (DX7 does). so hmmm yeah... you may need to redefine your uses of the synth for someone to be more specific in recommending it.

Also you should say what type of 80s sound you are after, it can mean many different things from early analog 'electro rock' stuff (think Breakdancing ;) ), British rock/pop (arps and creamy leads, Think Duran Duran), loungey/mainstream pop (DX7 E-Pianos think 'moonlighting theme'), Weird industrial/electro bashes and whoops (FM, Emulator, Synclavier think Depeche Mode), Overtly digital epic sounds sprinkled with pure pop (think D-50), late 80s 'house' 'music' (M1.. if you must :roll: ) There are so many different facets to the so called '80s sound' that no one synth can do it all, though some synths sound (with presets or through architecture) 'very 80s'. To be clearer about what would suit you you should say what sort of 80s sounds you refer to - also bear in mind a lot of 80s songs still used synths from the 70s (especially Moog and Older Rolands). Not sure where JV1080 fits in with that, but as I said if you just want a box of sounds to get you up and running and are going to be limited to just one synth then 1080 would be more useful than DX7 and you could always program it a bit or get some custom sounds to make it sound more '80s'. :mrgreen:

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Re: Yamaha DX 7 Vs Roland JV-1080

Post by sepiakeys » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:51 am

I would go for the Korg DW/EX-8000, if you want to get just one synth for all "80s"-stuff. A Yamaha TX81Z (FM), a Roland MKS-50 (Analog) and a Roland D-110 ("LA-Synthesis") might give you a nice, inexpensive combination too.

For the "natural sounds" get a vintage hardware sampler. Romplers (like the Korg M1 and Roland JV/XP-series) are probably too far in the "90's".
Good programming is worth more than the most expensive synthesizer.

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Re: Yamaha DX 7 Vs Roland JV-1080

Post by samuraipizzacat29 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:52 pm

Having owned both of those - I wouldn't think you'd want either one for a starter synth (even for "80's" sounds) If you're just using presets on the dx7, then maybe that'd work for you, but imo you wouldn't be able to get good sounding strings for that full 80's pad sound. The jv-1080 is a nice little box, but you could be much better off using some software vsts as the roland is basically just a polytimbral sampling box - so it would really be the same thing to just get some free software (or even pay for some of the cheap really good software) and tweak away.
as one of the other posters already said - if you're going for the prototypical 80's sound in an easy to program "beginner's" synth - definitely a juno 106.

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Re: Yamaha DX 7 Vs Roland JV-1080

Post by Algorytm7 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:51 pm

As a long time owner of the DX7, I can confirm that the factory presets sound a bit dry without effects but it tells you nothing about the synth capability - it only means that the sounds were programmed to sound dry. You can program your own that sound rich and spectacular without any processing.

Just take any synth that you think sounds great without effects and analyse what exactly makes it sound so good without effects. Then include these things in your DX7 patches. For starters, pay attention to the transients and all the other places where the envelope changes, like decay and release stages. If you program some interesting changes of timbre in those places, your patches will magically start sounding good without effects. That's what makes the analogue synths sound so good. DX7 has all the flexibility to mimic that which makes it an awesome synth.

Then you can still use an effect box to make the synth sound even more epic. :mrgreen:

I wouldnt choose a JV1080 unless I was in a cover band that needs piano or other acoustic instruments samples in a box, because for electronic sounds the DX7 is much more flexible, expressive and organic.

To be fair, I must mention the learning curve that inevitably goes with the DX7. But if you're truly dedicated, this is THE digital synth from the 80's to have.

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