Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

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Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by 80snostalgia » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:03 am

Hiya, I still haven't decided which Odyssey to go for between the Behringer and the Korg.
I'm not fussed about keysize, I just want the one with nearest sound authenticity.
And I'd love to recreate the haunting sound Billy Currie recreates on it in Vienna, does anyone know how to do this patch or can you recreate it to listen to? Much appreciated! :x

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by AnalogKid » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:29 pm

In my opinion, getting the Behringer version of the Odyssey over the Korg version is a no-brainer. Behringer absolutely nailed the Odyssey sound. The Behringer version has better build quality and more features than the Korg (and the orginal ARP) version, and it costs less. And the Behringer version is full-size.

Yeah, I also like Billy Currie’s work with the ARP Odyssey. His sound often makes use of the Odyssey’s oscillator sync capability.

One of my favorite Billy Currie Odyssey solos is at 4:36 in this song:



With a bit of reverb, the Odyssey can be made to “sing.” I like how Billy Currie made his Odyssey sound when it comes in at 0:13 in this clip:



This old patch sheet from ARP for the "Billy Currie hard lead sound" is buried in the Ultravox website forum. It should be a good starting point for you for the Odyssey sound he used in the song Vienna. All you would need to do to get close is to close down the filter some and perhaps lengthen the release time a bit. Since the Odyssey is not able to store patches, Billy Currie couldn't stray too far from his "hard lead sound" when programming his Odyssey on stage. Click on this to enlarge it:
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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by clubbedtodeath » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:50 am

Personally I don't think it's quite so slam-dunk between the Korg and the Behringer.

I have a KARP mini, and it's as a close to the original as makes no difference. The build quality is absolutely fine: it doesn't feel flimsy. I prefer the mini, as a full-size Odyssey is huge for a mono synth. The mini keys are playable, but if you drive it through an external keyboard in the studio it won't dominate the space. There's the rack version too, but I find the mini keys good to have in a pinch.

The KARP mini also comes with a hardened flight case, which is great for taking to gigs or travelling.

It all comes down to which company you'd rather support.

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by AnalogKid » Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:24 pm

clubbedtodeath wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:50 am
Personally I don't think it's quite so slam-dunk between the Korg and the Behringer.
It all comes down to which company you'd rather support.
I have a Korg MS-20 mini. I like it a lot for its sounds and what it can do, but the build quality is not good. The keyboard is a joke. The Korg Odyssey has the exact same keys. The size of the keys and the quality remind me of one of these:
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I can't see spending over $300 dollars more for less build quality, less features, and a cheap mini-keys keyboard.

As for supporting Behringer vs. Korg, that's a matter of opinion. I personally like what Behringer is doing. Both the Korg Odyssey and Behringer Odyssey are manufactured in China.

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by 80snostalgia » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:57 pm

Lol the battle between Korg and Behringer!
Its, so hard, on one hand love the price of Behringer Odyssey, I'm not bothered about size of the keys.
There has been on YouTube comparings side by side of these two Synths and it's close, but I keep asking people this question can both Synths play the Vienna lead and - the selling point, which plays it better. Its probably gonna be another year til I decide to purchase one of these Odysseys.
Thanks for any help and knowledge.
0.13 was good on Western Promise.
I'm wanting more the sound at 0.48 of Billy's Arp on Vienna

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by AnalogKid » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:24 am

80snostalgia wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:57 pm
Lol the battle between Korg and Behringer!
Its, so hard, on one hand love the price of Behringer Odyssey, I'm not bothered about size of the keys.
There has been on YouTube comparings side by side of these two Synths and it's close, but I keep asking people this question can both Synths play the Vienna lead and - the selling point, which plays it better. Its probably gonna be another year til I decide to purchase one of these Odysseys.
Thanks for any help and knowledge.
0.13 was good on Western Promise.
I'm wanting more the sound at 0.48 of Billy's Arp on Vienna
The Odyssey at 0:48 in Vienna is actually close to the Odyssey sound that Billy Currie used near the beginning of Western Promise. If you follow the ARP patch sheet and comments that I left at the end of my first post above, that should get you there.

The thing is, this sound isn't just the Odyssey itself. Billy Currie ran his Odyssey through a Mistress Electric brand flanger, and reverb was used on both Odyssey parts in Western Promise and Vienna.

Regarding your question, "...can both synths play the Vienna lead...," unless you want to rely on outboard effects gear, then the answer is no. Only the Behringer Odyssey will get you there all by itself. Unlike the Korg Odyssey which has no onboard effects, the Behringer Odyssey includes very good Klark Teknik digital effects. Effects are needed to get that sound. Of course, some used effects pedals won't cost you too much, but why spend more money when you can get a great set of digital effects built-in with the Behringer Odyssey.

Perhaps you've already seen this clip. There was a very short lived CBS late night TV show in 1980 called No Holds Barred. The then new lineup of Ultravox with Midge Ure happened to be doing a short US west coast tour at the time, and they were booked to perform on No Holds Barred. As it turned out, this is arguably the best live performance of the song Vienna that exists on tape. In the beginning section of the song, you can see and hear Billy Currie opening and closing the filter on his Odyssey. A closed down filter, reverb, a bit of portamento, LFO vibrato, and bang, there you are:


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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by desmond » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:20 am

AnalogKid wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:24 am
The Odyssey at 0:48 in Vienna is actually close to the Odyssey sound that Billy Currie used near the beginning of Western Promise. If you follow the ARP patch sheet and comments that I left at the end of my first post above, that should get you there.
Yep, it does, I just set it up here and it's nice. You have to be careful with a few sliders as they are very position dependent and small changes affect the timbre a lot, but the sound is in there that patch sheet - thanks for sharing that!

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by 80snostalgia » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:32 am

Behringer Odyssey sounds good then, from another forum though, they do say about noise in the HPF once you get into the highest range.
I've no idea what that means, but if its a fixable issue I'm probably leaning towards getting a Behringer.

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by clubbedtodeath » Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:53 pm

AnalogKid wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:24 pm
I have a Korg MS-20 mini. I like it a lot for its sounds and what it can do, but the build quality is not good. The keyboard is a joke. The Korg Odyssey has the exact same keys. The size of the keys and the quality remind me of one of these:

Melodica
I'm quite impressed you can say that without having played one. The build quality is fine. I know this, as I'm sitting right in front of my Korg Odyssey right now.
I personally like what Behringer is doing.
Like threatening to sue Dave Smith Instruments?

Or personally targetting journalists who were critical of the company?
As for supporting Behringer vs. Korg, that's a matter of opinion.
This bit we can agree on. Me, I'm not prepared to give money to a company that allegedly appears to be behaving in a bullying, predatory manner. I'm simply not cool with that.

Anyway, as you were...

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by meatballfulton » Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:53 pm

80snostalgia wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:32 am
noise in the HPF once you get into the highest range. I've no idea what that means
Think about how a HPF works. When cutoff is cranked high enough, any high frequency noise in the audio circuit is going to be very audible. It's real analog, a copy of a vintage design which was far from audiophile quality circuitry, it will have some noise.

Seems like every reissue out there gets complaints from people who have only used digital and are now discovering the bountiful joys of analog.

Is it worse, a lot worse than the Karp? You'll only know by side by side comparisons. Do you use whistling HPF sounds all the time?
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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by 80snostalgia » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:09 pm

desmond wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:20 am
AnalogKid wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:24 am
The Odyssey at 0:48 in Vienna is actually close to the Odyssey sound that Billy Currie used near the beginning of Western Promise. If you follow the ARP patch sheet and comments that I left at the end of my first post above, that should get you there.
Yep, it does, I just set it up here and it's nice. You have to be careful with a few sliders as they are very position dependent and small changes affect the timbre a lot, but the sound is in there that patch sheet - thanks for sharing that!
Hiya, which Odyssey do you have? Original, Korg or Behringer?
(This is the selling point I need to decide.) 😁

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by desmond » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:10 pm

80snostalgia wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:09 pm
Hiya, which Odyssey do you have? Original, Korg or Behringer?
It doesn't matter, they all sound like an Odyssey.

(I tried it in software, to answer your question...)

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by 80snostalgia » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:13 pm

meatballfulton wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:53 pm
80snostalgia wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:32 am
noise in the HPF once you get into the highest range. I've no idea what that means
Think about how a HPF works. When cutoff is cranked high enough, any high frequency noise in the audio circuit is going to be very audible. It's real analog, a copy of a vintage design which was far from audiophile quality circuitry, it will have some noise.

Seems like every reissue out there gets complaints from people who have only used digital and are now discovering the bountiful joys of analog.

Is it worse, a lot worse than the Karp? You'll only know by side by side comparisons. Do you use whistling HPF sounds all the time?
I'm totally new to Hardware Synths, Miniak is my first, got JP-08 and JD-Xi will be my second yes that will be digital, I'm hoping my 4th would be Odyssey but scratching my head to which one lol.

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by 80snostalgia » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:22 pm

desmond wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:10 pm
80snostalgia wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:09 pm
Hiya, which Odyssey do you have? Original, Korg or Behringer?
It doesn't matter, they all sound like an Odyssey.

(I tried it in software, to answer your question...)
Oh thanks, I'm thinking of getting Oddity 2 from Gforce software while I'm waiting to save up for the Hardware.

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Re: Odyssey Ultravox Vienna patch

Post by 80snostalgia » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:23 pm

desmond wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:10 pm
80snostalgia wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:09 pm
Hiya, which Odyssey do you have? Original, Korg or Behringer?
It doesn't matter, they all sound like an Odyssey.

(I tried it in software, to answer your question...)
Oh thanks, I'm thinking of getting Oddity 2 from Gforce software while I'm waiting to save up for the Hardware.

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