Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

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Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by anoteoftruth » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:58 am

Hey guys,

I'm looking for a decent Vocoder.. something that will give me the ability to get some really clear vocals out of..

I looked at hardware Vocoders like the VP-550, and though it seems cool, I'd kinda like something that uses my own input signal, so that I could get some more usability out of it.

I'm looking to get into modular soon so any suggestions for modular units too are welcome..

Whatever you guys can suggest I'd like to hear it... just 1 thing, no software vocoders please.

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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by awol9000 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:21 am

Electrix - Warp factory
Alesis - Metavox
Electro Harmonix - V256 Vocoder

I haven't used any of the above yet.

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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by monolith » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:36 am

I just got an Electrix Warp factory, I quite like it.
You can supply the carrier source, and it's very intelligible.

Doepfer has released a vocoder module that apparently was developed with input from Florian Schneider. (Kraftwerk)

http://www.doepfer.de/a129e.htm

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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by tekkentool » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:31 am

monolith wrote:I just got an Electrix Warp factory, I quite like it.
You can supply the carrier source, and it's very intelligible.

Doepfer has released a vocoder module that apparently was developed with input from Florian Schneider. (Kraftwerk)

http://www.doepfer.de/a129e.htm
Looks complex, the sound demos are rubbish though. IT surely can't sound that bad.

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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by monolith » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:39 am

tekkentool wrote:
monolith wrote:I just got an Electrix Warp factory, I quite like it.
You can supply the carrier source, and it's very intelligible.

Doepfer has released a vocoder module that apparently was developed with input from Florian Schneider. (Kraftwerk)

http://www.doepfer.de/a129e.htm
Looks complex, the sound demos are rubbish though. IT surely can't sound that bad.
Listening now...




...whoa.. they are bad.

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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by tekkentool » Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:24 pm

monolith wrote:
tekkentool wrote:
monolith wrote:I just got an Electrix Warp factory, I quite like it.
You can supply the carrier source, and it's very intelligible.

Doepfer has released a vocoder module that apparently was developed with input from Florian Schneider. (Kraftwerk)

http://www.doepfer.de/a129e.htm
Looks complex, the sound demos are rubbish though. IT surely can't sound that bad.
Listening now...




...whoa.. they are bad.
Yeah, like Alesis ion bad :o

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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by tallowwaters » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:09 pm

...Anyways

The Nord Modular/MicroModular vocoders sound great at a decent price, but you will have to use software to edit. Really though, you could sit down one day, make you up about 30 patches and assign morph parameters and have enough vocoding for life. Both units have a tiny footprint as well.

Alesis Metavox is s**t, skip it.

The Electrix Warp Factory is very popular around here, sounds great and is a very flexible unit. I assume by input signal you mean your own carrier wave? The Warp Factory can do this, I believe. pricklyrobot will be along shortly...

The EHX V256 can certainly do vocoding as well. It does sound great, plenty of bands to use and tracks incoming signal well, but I don't think I would want it for my sole vocoder. It does do plenty of other things as well, like formant shifting, stepped auto tune, etc.

Korg's R3 and MicroKorg have some of the more musical vocoders available on the modern VAs. Actually, I love the sound of the R3 vocoder. Plenty of parameters to play with there.
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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by Joey » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:40 pm

where is VOCODERMAN when we need him?
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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by computron » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:25 pm

in my book the roland svc350 is the best vocoder ever!!Along with the vp it came from.I wanted one for so long and waited like a fool till they got expensive.800 I paid for mine.No other analog vocoder sounds like it.To me it sounds in every way how I think a vocoder should sound.No other vocoder i ever used has been as clear when vocoding then the svc.Either with ensamble on or off.Mine came with the orginal foot switch pedal.One of the best things I own hands down.


The nord modular /micro modular is a great vocoder as well .For a VA's its on top of the class!

The ms2000,micro korg ,and r-3 can sound ok with very little work but they are never up to power of the the nord modular/micro modular's vocoder


I have heard many good things about the v synth vocoder but alas I have never got to try one out first hand to say for sure.

I will also add the MAM VF-11 is a nice analog vocoder was well.Not near the svc but still nice.I would put it well above the Electrix Warp factory.I never realy liked the electrix warp factory. if we are talking about quality sound,flexabilty and vaule at todays prices then the vf11 wins hand down over the warp factory in my honest opinion
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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by computron » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:30 am

here is vid of me using my svc in live situation for example "we are the freaks" nice and clean :mrgreen:


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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by aeon » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:53 am

tallowwaters wrote:The Nord Modular/MicroModular vocoders sound great at a decent price, but you will have to use software to edit. Really though, you could sit down one day, make you up about 30 patches and assign morph parameters and have enough vocoding for life. Both units have a tiny footprint as well.
computron wrote:The nord modular /micro modular is a great vocoder as well .For a VA's its on top of the class!
These two posts are full of wisdom. The Clavia Nord Mod G1 vocoder is great - if you are into a retro-flavored sound. Sometimes I wonder if Clavia modeled it after the Roland SVC-350 - not to sound just like it, but have a similar sweet-spot.


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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by pricklyrobot » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:37 am

tallowwaters wrote:The Electrix Warp Factory is very popular around here, sounds great and is a very flexible unit. I assume by input signal you mean your own carrier wave? The Warp Factory can do this, I believe. pricklyrobot will be along shortly...
You rang?

Yep, WarpFactory has stereo 1/4" and RCA inputs (with an optional Phono setting, so you can use a turntable) for your carrier, and mono XLR and 1/4" inputs (+4 or -10dB switchable) for your formant. Can't comment on its "vintageness" (or lack thereof), as I'm not qualified—or interested—enough to judge. But it ticks everything on my two-point good gear checklist: Does it do what I expected it to do? (yep, sounds like a vocoder), is it intuitive and fun to use? (sure is!) Furthermore, they're built like tanks (bright red tanks with giant knobs ;) ), and they're easy to track down on Ebay for reasonable prices.

I love my Nord Modular too. But if you're interested in using it as anything other than a vocoder (and you should be :D ), I'd definitely say, save up the extra couple hundred and go for the rack or keyboard version over the Micro. With the Micro you really are tied to the computer (although as Tallow pointed out, if you're just interested in the vocoder, it's easy to skirt that limitation), whereas with the other two you can edit everything but the patch cords away from the PC.

You can't go wrong with either one. Personally, I like having a standalone vocoder just for convenience/flexibility's sake.
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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by stikygum » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:18 am

I have the Mam VF-11 and just bought the mighty Doepfer vocoder system. Imho, those two are the best if you don't want to spend on a SVC. All other vocoders I've heard don't have an organic quality and sound sterile. You definitely need analog. I mean, with a VA/digital vocoder (besides Roland, because they know how to do a good vocoder) you get a 'vocoder effect' but it lacks if you want it to impact the listener. The listener won't feel what they can feel with an analog vocoder.

I really like the Mam vocoder, but I wanted to try the Doepfer for #1 I thought demos (on a different page with a comparison) sounded the best and #2 it is completely customizable and you can patch LFOs or whatever you can think of into to get off the wall vocoder stuff. I love vocoders and this seems like the best option even over the mighty SVC. But I have to wait and see once I get this, so this post is base on it's features and demos (I've listened to).
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Re: Best Vocoder? Hardware or Modular?

Post by computron » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:41 am

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I agree with what you have said. I love good vocoders!!Your Doepfer on the way sounds intersting

The microkorg,r3,ms2000.Jp8000,Waldorf's,Quisimidi's ect never have that impact in sound you are talking about.Some can be made to sound good I have both micokorg and ms2000b. I can program them to sound good or to be a svc wantabe but they are always lacking that special special vocoder sound you mention.BUT HOW? does the Nord modular and micro modular have it ? I dont know ? It realy does! It does not sound like my SVC but can come very close.It can do much more then the svc but still have that sweet warmth.You can program it to sound thin and sterlie but its harder to make it sound that way then to sound good.The Nord vocoder realy shocked me by how warm and organic it can sound.Very MAMvf-11 like but different.The Nords are special in terms of a vocoder and everything else it can do.

Sure all other VA's and VSTs vocoders can produce a 'vocoder effect' but it always is lacking that special touch that the Nord and the analogs have.They realy are that good.I am a vocoder freak and have heard great things of the rolands V synth's vocoder I wonder if its a special vocoder like the nord? There are some analog vocoders out there that dont sound all that great either by the way.All vocoders are not created equal.:twisted:
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