Beware the storm that gathers here...

[xpander]

request for dave smith to also design a modern analog hybrid vector synthesizer. that is something really missing from the market.

What I'm about to say probably isn't exactly what you're asking for, but it's easy, fun, and sounds cool.

You can easily do vector stuff with four analog oscillators on a Prophet '08 when you Stack (layer) a Program. I made one P'08 Program in which the two wheels control the vector. (Yeah, I know... bummer there's no joystick for this!) In this Program, moving the wheels to the four "corners" gives you a Saw, a Triangle, a Square, or a Narrow Pulse, or anything in-between. By the four "corners", I mean 1) both wheels up, 2) both wheels down, 3) pitch wheel down and mod wheel up, 4) pitch wheel up and mod wheel down.

Unlike the Evolvers, it's pretty quick and easy to set up on the P'08, because the P'08 has an Osc Mix control, rather than separate Osc Levels.

actually, once i get around to buying a Kaoss pad, i'll program a MaxMSP-based, VS-style mix envelope interface for the PolyEvolver. it'll be interesting to see how bad that much continuous MIDI data screws up the timing! it should work though, since each oscillator amplitude level is a modulation destination.

[Ski]

actually, once i get around to buying a Kaoss pad, i'll program a MaxMSP-based, VS-style mix envelope interface for the PolyEvolver.

Sweet! Nice photo, too. Thanks. (Just curious, but is your web site name a reference to a Yes song?)

[xpander]

actually, once i get around to buying a Kaoss pad, i'll program a MaxMSP-based, VS-style mix envelope interface for the PolyEvolver.

Sweet! Nice photo, too. Thanks. (Just curious, but is your web site name a reference to a Yes song?)

thanks, those are really snaps i took to show off its screwed up keyboard! rachel carson book is the origin.

better snapshot:

[raffor]

doesnt matter. i can tell you where it will end though.

A small town in Oklahoma?

Sorry the lag. Could not find that small town in Oklahoma...

Actually, I had some trouble with the computer the last days that is not fully resolved neither.

Anyway, I guess I was wrong with the DCO design. There is no thing as a look up table in that CEM oscillator chip and I was confused since the waveforms were mixed. The waveshapers are analog nature and nevertheless, I learned something new. I apologize for the bandwidth I wasted. At the end the sound is important and that again is a matter of taste.

[QQ1]

Sorry to belabor this subject, but curiousity simply got the better of me. Has anyone stumbled upon information about the new keybed/keyboard in the P'08? Thanks!

[DocT]

But how discreet are 3CPO’s really?

The P '08's integrated 3CPOs aren't discreet, but are stable without tuning, especially when layered with 2RD2s:

http://www.trippler.net/files/p8/andros.mp3

[madtheory]

I apologize for the bandwidth I wasted. At the end the sound is important and that again is a matter of taste.

Fair play to you.

[crufty]

Funny funny thing...

I've been looking for a solid polyphonic analog sound source for a while. I was looking at the A6s, but the tuning issues / availability etc made me wary. Then I look at the omegas et al, and they do sound nice, but a little too rich for my blood.

Then...behold. The P08. Schwing!

[Jazzpunk]

Based on the Evolver series, anyone care to speculate on how long it might be until a desktop version of the 08 appears (if ever)?

Thanks

[Jazzpunk]

Funny funny thing...

I've been looking for a solid polyphonic analog sound source for a while. I was looking at the A6s, but the tuning issues / availability etc made me wary. Then I look at the omegas et al, and they do sound nice, but a little too rich for my blood.

Then...behold. The P08. Schwing!

Probably alot of guys in the same boat (especially when it comes to lusting over the Omega). Bet that's what Dave's hoping anyways!

Trippler's demos sound great and the price tag couldn't be better. Hopefully we'll see a desktop version as well.

[Stab Frenzy]

Based on the Evolver series, anyone care to speculate on how long it might be until a desktop version of the 08 appears (if ever)?

Thanks

Well based on the evolver series a desktop version of the P8 should have been out around 2 years ago. They went desktop -> PER -> PEK -> MEK

DSI have released stuff at around 9 month intervals in the past, but it seems to be speeding up lately so I'm not really gonna try and predict when we'll see something, especially with the boomchik in the mix too. I would have expected to see a poly rack version before a desktop though, so people can use the poly out on the P8. That's just a guess though.

[sizzlemeister]

My guess is that:

DS released the Evolver (desktop) because he was enthused by the business Roger Linn was getting with his little box. At this point I would bet dollars to donuts that DS was in no way thinking about something like a PEK. I bet he was thinking his venture would remain small yet fun and relatively profitable.

Sales took off, public reception was overwhelmingly positive and requests for key-boarded and polyphonic versions poured in. The PER and PEK were then conceived and developed at the same time. The PER, being much simpler (compared to the PEK) was first to hit the market and then the PEK. But the people were mainly interested in a Pro One-like instrument. Thus the MEK was made.

But still, as witnessed here on VSE, the people STILL weren't happy and wanted more polyphony at an affordable price and deluged DS with this and similar requests.

Since sales for the Evolver, MEK, and PER have gone so well, Dave decides to capitalize on the analog-fervor since NO ONE ELSE is making a poly-analog for under $2k (US) street.

So, right now, I will go out on a limb and say that besides the P'08 we MAY see a P'08 rack not unlike the PER. I strongly suspect this thanks to the poly-chain out on the P'08.

Now, unless DS thinks otherwise I suspect the following two will be cash-cows for DS - we MAY see a "Mono Pro" or a "Pro One Two"(contact me for naming rights). And we MAY see a desktop "Mono Pro" or "Pro One Two".

[Stab Frenzy]

The only thing with a desktop mono prophet would be there isn't really much fat to trim off the Desktop Evo to bring the price down. You would probably keep the 8 knobs but could lose some of the buttons on the left, but then you'd need to retool to make another case and a different board for the digital controls.

I'm guessing, but if I was designing one I'd keep the same case as the desktop evo and just have fewer funtions that needed the shift key to access. The external ins would be blanked over, but apart from that the only external difference would be a different sticker. Internally there wouldn't be a need for a few of the digital components, but they aren't really too expensive anyway.

So what we'd be looking at in R&D costs would be:
- new sticker graphic design
- new board design to fit in the case

ie not much. The only thing that makes me think this might not happen is if it was only going to street US$25-50 less than the desktop evo, why wouldn't people just get one of them? The P8 does sound a bit different to the PEK though, so there could be a market for both flavours in the same compact form. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

[Jazzpunk]

Well based on the evolver series a desktop version of the P8 should have been out around 2 years ago. They went desktop -> PER -> PEK -> MEK

DOH!

Thanks guys.

[Jazzpunk]

So, right now, I will go out on a limb and say that besides the P'08 we MAY see a P'08 rack not unlike the PER. I strongly suspect this thanks to the poly-chain out on the P'08.

A brand new, 16 voice Prophet for under 4K would be sick!