who rents to sample - keyboards

prince fan 2 · Post by **prince fan 2** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:46 am

was thinking of renting out an ob8 or xa in order to sample

to get the sound that i need...

75.00 pounds for a day...a bit cheaper than £1600.00 odd

anybody else do this much..?

Post by **Stab Frenzy** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:59 am

Nope.

Just buy it and rent it out. After 22 days it's paid for itself.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:22 am

I used to do it a lot back in the days. Though we mostly borrowed stuff from people we knew.

Do note that sampling a synth is not the same thing as having the synth itself. And making good samples takes forever. So it's a lot of work.

With that said even if it does'nt sound exactly like the original does'nt mean they're bad samples in themselves. I've gotten many cool samples out of old analog stuff.

clusterchord · Post by **clusterchord** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:25 pm

what he said.

i remember, taking a Solina from my friend. meticulously sampling all notes.. forever.. after that a month passed before i had willpower to start editing individual note samples. after i've done first few, another Solina popped out for sale locally. i grabbed it immediatelly. end of story.

sampling is great, for example, when u have a modular or something like an MS-20 and want to record some analog drums, fx wierdness, bits n pieces as one-shot samples. but multi-sampling for polyphonic playing.. waste of time. if u can't tweak your filter on an OBXa you got nothing. also the sameness of sampled material always kills the organic tone.

i htink better approach is finish your arrangement with the stand-in synth, rent OBXa, play it and commit to tape. voila. most ppl do it this way.

Yoozer · Post by **Yoozer** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:30 pm

I'd take a 80% emulation over a homebrewn sampled set any day, and cluster's idea of "renting at the last minute" is a good timesaver.

There's a nice OB Reaktor ensemble, use it as a stand-in of sorts, then get the real thing.

JSRockit · Post by **JSRockit** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:40 pm

Whatever samples I'd be happy with today, I surely wouldn't be happy with 3 months from now. My tastes change and the synthesis cannot be sampled IMHO.

Post by **Jack Spider** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:08 pm

If you're looking at paying £75 to hire one to sample, you might as well try the demo of Sonic Projects' 'OP-X', which sounds pretty impressive. Buying that will be cheaper than hiring an Obie, you won't have the hassle of sampling and you will be able to create your own patches.

http://www.sonicprojects.ch/obx/welcome.html

cfernn · Post by **cfernn** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:42 pm

from personal experience, don't sample the synth. Unless you are sampling an already sample based synth, or a drum machine, just don't do it. It takes too much time and effort, and it won't sound like the real deal

IMO of course

Tidda · Post by **Tidda** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:54 pm

I sampled several synths, as it is no effort at all with my sampler, it's fully automated.
I usually sample 'raw' sounds from the synths and then use the samplers filters, envs, lfos and modulation routings to create a 'new' synth.

With the tedu=ious work done by the sampler, it's actually quite fun.
But I would not go out and rent synths for this purpose.

Tidda

depecheNIN · Post by **depecheNIN** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:00 pm

There's a computer program that samples patches automatically. You literally connect your synth to your audio interface and the program sends out a MIDI signal for every note and samples the entire keyboard. That would really help you!

Anyone remember what it's called?

Tidda · Post by **Tidda** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:07 pm

There's Synthswipe in the Emulator X2. That's what I am using, but there is another one which name escapes me at the moment.

Tidda

Yoozer · Post by **Yoozer** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:25 pm

SampleRobot.

Redmatica has something for the ESX24 in Logic, too.