Analog Modeling Drum Machine

MrFrodo · Post by **MrFrodo** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:43 pm

I've asked this question several times already.

Is there a digital drum machine - a dedicated drum machine - that isn't sample-based? One with its own pattern/song sequencer (like any old drum machine) but only containing modeling circuitry? (Well, the crash cymbol would have to be sampled, in order to dutifully re-create the 909 sound.) That's something I hink composers would make use of.

After all, we have modeling synths (Nord Lead; Drum Station; Micron and others) that have analog drum sounds. However, I'd personally someday hope to have access to those sounds without having to buy the whole synth/module and then connect it to some other dequencer.

I mean, there has to be something like that around, already. Am I more blind than I thought?

megawatt · Post by **megawatt** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:49 pm

oh lets start this off with the

Korg Er-1

JSRockit · Post by **JSRockit** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:50 pm

Wouldn't the standard Machinedrum or the Korg ER-1 fit this description?

Soundwave · Post by **Soundwave** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:52 pm

I think the Novation Drumstation is what you're after here.

There's also the Waldorf Rack Attack and Nord Modular to some extent.

kuroichi · Post by **kuroichi** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:00 pm

Dosent the Spectralis have modelling capabilites amongst other things.

MrFrodo · Post by **MrFrodo** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:08 pm

Soundwave wrote:I think the Novation Drumstation is what you're after here.

There's also the Waldorf Rack Attack and Nord Modular to some extent.

Does the Drumstation actually have its own sequencer in it? I never knew that.

I mean, I'm not talking about stand-alone modules without sequencers. It's got to have its own sequencer and ONLY be used for drum sounds. No polyphonic, bass or lead functions. Just analog drums/percussion.

JSRockit · Post by **JSRockit** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:11 pm

MrFrodo wrote:
Soundwave wrote:I think the Novation Drumstation is what you're after here.

There's also the Waldorf Rack Attack and Nord Modular to some extent.
Does the Drumstation actually have its own sequencer in it? I never knew that.

No, I think he failed to read that part of your question. What are you looking for... what's wrong with the ones we have said?

MrFrodo · Post by **MrFrodo** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:15 pm

JSRockit wrote:
MrFrodo wrote:
Soundwave wrote:I think the Novation Drumstation is what you're after here.

There's also the Waldorf Rack Attack and Nord Modular to some extent.
Does the Drumstation actually have its own sequencer in it? I never knew that.
No, I think he failed to read that part of your question. What are you looking for... what's wrong with the ones we have said?

Well, there are all these sample-based drum machines around. Sure, they sample anything and play it back. But, what about actually *modeling* 808, 606 and 909 sounds? They did it with the Drumstation, but that damn module is only a module. It's not a self-sequencing drum machine.

JSRockit · Post by **JSRockit** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:16 pm

MrFrodo wrote:
JSRockit wrote:
MrFrodo wrote: Does the Drumstation actually have its own sequencer in it? I never knew that.
No, I think he failed to read that part of your question. What are you looking for... what's wrong with the ones we have said?
Well, there are all these sample-based drum machines around. Sure, they sample anything and play it back. But, what about actually *modeling* 808, 606 and 909 sounds? They did it with the Drumstation, but that damn module is only a module. It's not a self-sequencing drum machine.

Again, why not the Machinedrum?

MrFrodo · Post by **MrFrodo** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:22 pm

JSRockit wrote: Again, why not the Machinedrum?

Aha, you've suggested this before. Now I actually investigate it a little bit, it would make a nice compromise. (Well, I like the RealPlayer demo, at any rate.)

megawatt · Post by **megawatt** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:51 pm

MrFrodo wrote:
JSRockit wrote: Again, why not the Machinedrum?
Aha, you've suggested this before. Now I actually investigate it a little bit, it would make a nice compromise. (Well, I like the RealPlayer demo, at any rate.)

hehe

I've NEVER heard that the machinedrum is a compromise....to what? I'm pretty sure it would melt your mind.

It won't sound like a 808 though. It will cover much more ground.

heck - you could use the monomachine as a modeling drummachine too...

hows about some FM Drums, SID Drums, VA drums....

also - if all you are after is TR drums then why don't you just pick up a groovebox - I had the itch and a MC___ gives you all of the sounds although won't give you the quirks of the originals. I know that they are samples but you can still tweak them.

if you just want cheap then go for the ER - it kind of sounds like c**p though but perhaps you could coax something out of it.
how much are looking to spend?

Post by **Vxster** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:33 pm

MrFrodo wrote:I've asked this question several times already

And you've been given good answers each time

MrFrodo wrote:Aha, you've suggested this before. Now I actually investigate it a little bit, it would make a nice compromise.

So you just ignored it last time out?

MrFrodo wrote:the crash cymbol would have to be sampled, in order to dutifully re-create the 909 sound.

So you are actually asking for a 909 emulator rather than a drum synthesizer?

As has been suggested by Supermel before, get a Korg ER-1 and a Novation Drumstation. Apart from 606, you are sorted.

pricklyrobot · Post by **pricklyrobot** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:36 pm

But, what is there --that fits the aforementioned criteria-- that falls somewhere between the $100/$150-but-lots-of-people-say-it-sounds-c**p ER-1, and the the everyone-seems-to-love-it-but-it's-$1200 Machinedrum? It's a pretty big gap and I can't think of anything that fits in there.

calyx93 · Post by **calyx93** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:43 pm

It lacks a full-blown sequencer (just a simple pattern sequencer), but the Waldorf Rack Attack would fit this description.

JSRockit · Post by **JSRockit** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:25 pm

pricklyrobot wrote:But, what is there --that fits the aforementioned criteria-- that falls somewhere between the $100/$150-but-lots-of-people-say-it-sounds-c**p ER-1, and the the everyone-seems-to-love-it-but-it's-$1200 Machinedrum? It's a pretty big gap and I can't think of anything that fits in there.

Well, he said digital... but a few analogs fit in this price range...like the Jomox XBase09 and the MFB 502 / 503. Also, the original poster may want to look at the Quasimidi 309.

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