yard sale Alesis QS6: no pitch/mod wheels? no problem!

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yard sale Alesis QS6: no pitch/mod wheels? no problem!

Post by killedaway » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:45 pm

my latest yard sale find:

an Alesis QS6. this was lying amongst some video game stuff on a box. from a distance it looked like one of those Miracle Pianos, but no, an actual synth! she's missing the power supply, the pitch & mod wheels, and she's got one buck tooth, but i think it gives her character.

i was already pretty unimpressed with the condition overall, and when i asked the price, i expected the guy selling it would say something dumb, like a hundred bucks or more. surprisingly, he only wanted thirty. and just like my CS01 two weeks ago, i haggled him down to $20 -- fought him tooth and nail too, 'cause at first he wouldn't go any lower than 25, and then he really put up a fight at $23 (note to self: twenty-three?!). anyway, i pointed out all of the 'board's numerous flaws, including the fact that i had no way to test it, so he hadn't a leg to stand on. considering the condition and what he was willing to let it go for, i figure if i didn't buy it right then and there, he was likely to bin it at the end of the day, so really, buying it was the only option. :wink:

i just got home a bit ago, and jumped online looking for a power supply. Alesis wants 27.95US plus shipping. Ebay doesn't have any up at all (that i could find). obviously i was dying to test this thing out, and buying a 30-dollar PSU for a 20-dollar synth just to test it... well, that rubbed me the wrong way. i found some pictures of the PSU online so i could at least note its specs and possibly track down a cheaper, and more immediate, replacement. anyone familiar with the original QS series of synths knows that Alesis opted for a large 4-pin DIN "lump in the line" AC adapter. bleh. i cudgeled my brain trying to think of another company wacky enough to use such a bizarre cord.... of course! Korg! away i flew to my E-X Electribes, and sure enough, the supplies were almost the same specs (just a tad more amperage). i carefully unplugged my ESX, plugged up the QS6, double-checked the specs on both models online, closed my eyes & gritted my teeth, and clicked the power button on the Alesis... success!

aside from the missing knobs and heaven-bound B-key (yes, i had to look that up!), everything works perfectly. i am really impressed with this synth so far. first off, it's a tank. it would undeniably survive a bomb blast. it's also heavy; almost excessively so. the key action is excellent; it's a wonder Alesis chose not to use this same keybed in the Ion, as it's undeniably better. the keys are well-weighted, have just the right amount of lift to them, and while they're not spongy, they're also not thunky or otherwise noisy (like my Fantom!). the patch/editing pads have a very nice feel to them, and they remind me of drum machine buttons. lastly, while there aren't a ton of terribly unique patches included, the ones that are there are useful. i like the choirs, some of the pads and "synths", and some of the strings as well. where this thing really shines however, is in the effects. either Alesis was quite proud of the inbuilt effects, or the presets suck without them, but it's moot, as they sound excellent. in particular, the reverb sounds very smooth and not at all metallic and ringy. the flanger is a bit one-trickish and heavy, but all of Alesis' flangers seem to be that way; at least, they are in my Ion and Midiverb.

i've not gotten a chance to really dig into the PDF manual that i downloaded, but i see that the QS6 can use expansion cards, which seems fun and it has some kind of serial port on the back for connection to a pc (?). looking online, i found a few nice webpages by some fellow that offer instructions on how to internalize the power supply, and how to use different types of expansion cards beyond what Alesis recommends. when i get a chance, i'll certainly give those a whirl.

that's all. just sharing my thoughts on my new (to me) toy. anyone else here using a QS 'board? if so, what're you using it for, and what are your favorite patches, or elements that you use in your own patches? can anyone here comment on the expansion cards?


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"your B has gone 'up' a half step. it's now a C."

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see? it works. also note the Korg PSU in the background.

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"SHOCK! NO PITCH AND MOD WHEELS! ALSO, MEOW"
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Post by gordwiebe » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:06 am

great find... and super great shot of your cat checking out the missing wheels.

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Post by Synthaholic » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:10 am

Nice find, and I like your cat too. He looks like a cross between 2 of my cats--I have one with the grey coat (Smokey) and another with the white markings, but black instead of grey (Squeaky).

I wish I lived where synths rained from the sky, or are routinely found in yard sales. ;)
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Post by killedaway » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:30 am

gordwiebe wrote:great find... and super great shot of your cat checking out the missing wheels.
thank you. i don't know why she perked up like that. i just went to take a picture and she looked kinda wide-eyed for some reason.
Synthaholic wrote:Nice find, and I like your cat too. He looks like a cross between 2 of my cats--I have one with the grey coat (Smokey) and another with the white markings, but black instead of grey (Squeaky).

I wish I lived where synths rained from the sky, or are routinely found in yard sales.
thanks! that's Greybaby, one of our two girls (the other is Snowbaby). both were "rescues", sort of. my mom found Grey in a parking lot outside my brother's school; she was dirty, thin and howling. a month later, my dad heard a cat crying at his work, and found Snowy wedged between a couple pallets! my wife had to have both, of course, so we took them home. they've grown up to be real beauties (for alley cats :wink: ), but Grey is the one everyone comments on, 'cause of her eyes.

as for the synths, i can't say why i find them often, but i'm a total yard sale freak, so i visit dozens each month and literally hundreds in the summer. with that kind of "brute force" technique one is bound to find a few gems. sometimes i'll go a week or two without finding much of anything, but just when things look grim, BAM! a little something.
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Post by MrHope » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:58 am

Your QS deal was undoubtedly a better deal than mine.

I bought a QS 6.2 new about a year or two ago and have been a little disappointed ever since. Some of the sounds are cool, but a lot of them aren't and I don't typically come up with anything better when I edit my own.

The QS's are just dying for resonant filters, which of course they don't have.

One nice thing is being able to load up sounds from the other QS synths using FreeLoader (or MIDI-Ox or SendSx). That's the one thing that has kept me from selling the synth right away. Another nice thing is the four assignable sliders. However...

* pitchbend sometimes gets stuck sending ± a few.
* the synth seems to choke and freeze up on MIDI clock messages
* my QS doesn't work with SoundBridge for burning sample cards
* drum sounds are especially weak
* way too much reverb
* a lot of instruments are panned too far left instead of dead center
* mix mode recieves on 2 or more channels but transmits on only 1 for some of the mix patches. So if you want to sequence the mix, you have to edit every other layer of the patch to turn on MIDI output.

I have made a lot of songs using this synth, but I must say two things:

1) thank goodness for VST softsynths
2) I'm never buying from Alesis again

Nevertheless, 23 dollars for any synth is a good deal.

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Post by killedaway » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:39 am

MrHope wrote: Nevertheless, 23 dollars for any synth is a good deal.
it was 20, actually. :wink:

thanks for the run-down. i appreciate reading your issues, and i'll keep an eye out for this stuff as i explore the QS6. i'm planning on using some of its "vanilla" sounds to flesh out some of my existing tracks. most of my music is entirely synthetic -- that is to say, all synthesized, unrealistic sounds. other than a handful of mangled piano, horn, and choir patches, most everything is synthy, electronic stuff. i've bought a few synths in the past to use their organic sounds, but i plan on selling all of those. so far, i like the sounds of the QS enough that i'll probably keep it around a while and see if i can't find a place for it. i can't wait to get a few cards and load some new sounds. can this thing really load my own samples??
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Post by brianos » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:11 pm

I liked the QS7.1 so much I picked up a 2nd about a year later! :D How useful you find the presets will depend on the style of music you play & what types of sounds you need. I don't know how different the sounds on the QS6 are vs. the QSx.1, but on the .1 I like the pianos, organs & several of the synth patches (banks 90-109). Most of the time I use custom mixes, layering & blending sounds together.

Yes, you can load your own samples. I've done this using the Soundbridge software, a wav file & a writeable Q-card. You should be able to find cards on eBay - I bought my writeable card off eBay & the seller had pre-programmed it with 8 bonus banks that you can also download from Alesis' website.
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Post by killedaway » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:46 pm

brianos wrote:...I like the pianos, organs & several of the synth patches (banks 90-109)...

Yes, you can load your own samples. I've done this using the Soundbridge software, a wav file & a writeable Q-card. You should be able to find cards on eBay - I bought my writeable card off eBay & the seller had pre-programmed it with 8 bonus banks that you can also download from Alesis' website.
the pianos are really nice. i like some of the presets layered with pads and strings, too. nice, epic sounds.

thanks for the tips on the cards. i can't wait to buy one and put some of my own weird sounds into it. i joined up with the QS synth Yahoo! group and downloaded the necessary files and tutorials for editing/creating sample cards. now i just need to get the card itself.

when i was 17, i was making industrial music with a friend, using a DR660, a Yamaha SPX90, a couple guitars and a 4-track. we were using the synth bass patch on the 660 exhaustively, and things were getting kinda same-y. i decided we had better get a proper synthesizer/keyboard, and had set my sights on the QS6 after doing some research online. it was brand new then, and seemed to be getting raves from a lot of folks. well on my way to the $700 it was going for, i ended up purchasing a used Kawai K4 instead, and putting the QS6 on the back burner. but while the K4 ended up being a very nice choice for noisy, trashy pads and leads, i didn't realize i was missing out on the QS6's pianos and effects, until now. i've since purchased many 'boards that run circles 'round both the K4 and QS6 (in terms of flexibility and programming), but i'm feeling a large sense of nostalgia by playing with my "first keyboard that never was". :wink:
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Post by grondo2001 » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:11 am

First of all I love your stories!
Secondly I had this very model and I loved it- used it for years and it never failed me. Just before I moved to the UK the LCD died and I moved to the UK without it. I bought here the QS6.1 but never clicked with it as much. Eventually I brought the old QS6 to the UK and I replaced the LCD for 20GBP. I exchanged it in a shop for the Alesis M1 active monitors And I'll always remember this synth fondly.
Please note however that some cards are worth the investment (orchestral or an empty 8mb one...) while others are utter s**t (well most of them...). Alesis basically were so occupied with putting high resolution samples on their cards that they really f**k up the actual amount of different waveforms in a multisample.
The QS6.2 is by far the worst bargain and the keybed on it is much cheaper compared to the QS6 and QS6.1.
Enjoy your new baby!

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Post by killedaway » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:37 am

grondo2001 wrote:First of all I love your stories!
thanks!
Secondly I had this very model and I loved it- used it for years and it never failed me. Just before I moved to the UK the LCD died and I moved to the UK without it. I bought here the QS6.1 but never clicked with it as much. Eventually I brought the old QS6 to the UK and I replaced the LCD for 20GBP. I exchanged it in a shop for the Alesis M1 active monitors And I'll always remember this synth fondly.
Please note however that some cards are worth the investment (orchestral or an empty 8mb one...) while others are utter s**t (well most of them...). Alesis basically were so occupied with putting high resolution samples on their cards that they really f**k up the actual amount of different waveforms in a multisample.
The QS6.2 is by far the worst bargain and the keybed on it is much cheaper compared to the QS6 and QS6.1.
Enjoy your new baby!
i've been using the same monitors for some time now. they work well for the music i make. as for the cards, your observations seem to mirror most folks' that i've been reading. in fact, the card i'm most interested in hearing is indeed Classical Instruments. i'm looking for some high quality orchestral sounds (strings mainly) to replace those in my Fantom. i confess i'm curious about the EuroDance card also, but i don't think i'll bother to spend the money for it.

also, it seems Alesis carries a lot of replacement parts for the QS-series, so i might have to give them a ring and see if they've still got the wheel assembly and a spare B-key.
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Post by crystalmsc » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:35 am

killedaway wrote:it was 20, actually. :wink:
so far, i like the sounds of the QS enough that i'll probably keep it around a while and see if i can't find a place for it. i can't wait to get a few cards
that's a great find, even the card would go higher than that..I also like my S4+, those little rompler got nice fx and would do some nice layer sounds in the mix mode.
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