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Hey all A6ers!

I have gotten lots of responses elsewhere as well!

I have not gotten many recommendations as to the best communication system to guarantee that ALL users from Gearslutz, Vintage Synth, Electro-music, etc. receive the proposal in one go if only for practical purposes.

I believe in honesty and transparency and have zero tolerance for ill opportunism, as such I always try my best to make decisions based on the fairest manner possible and considering the greater common good at all times... THUS I am leaning towards the decision to lay down my proposal for you using the already existing A6 mailing list.

• While I am personally relatively new to the list, this group has been in existence since at least june 2002.
• Many of you are already members of that list.
• Many of the greatest A6 synth culture and technical contributors have been in that list for a long time, including the creators of that list and the creators of great patches and documentations.
• It's better that we gather in one central place for further discussion on the project.
• Personally, I have NEVER observed any undesirable behaviors in that list. Members of that list are usually kind and no misuse has been reported to my knowledge.
• It's email based.
• It's not a bad thing at all such a list gets a new infusion of members.

I think this is the fairest decision I can make. As you know, no massive PMing is allowed in gearslutz.com. It would be a TOTAL PAIN to write PMs in sets of 5 by 5... not happening. Sorry in advance. I also don't want to act as an agent and give preference to any forum and force fellow users to anything that would seem questionable as to my integrity and ethics.


So, unless there is a powerful reason or objection any of you want to communicate ASAP, please go ahead and add yourselves to the list here:

a6 Info Page


Please do subscribe NOW and remind your fellow users to do that asap as we continue to grow as a user group. Maybe send an email to the list to introduce yourselves and confirm membership.

Please do consider that regardless of my project, being all together in one place IS a good thing as a community of users of our beloved A6.


PS: I will spam this thread with this very same post a few times to raise notice.



Hail to the A6 I say!!




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m127 wrote:A6 mailing list.

As you may notice, most of your tags don't work. Preview is your friend.

PS: I will spam this thread with this very same post a few times to raise notice.

Not a good idea, either here or at Gearslutz.

If you are planning on releasing some commercial project, then you are going to HAVE TO promote it in multiple places. If you are just trying to promote some antequated mailing list that has no web archive, stop trying to make vague promises of anything else.

Very well A6ers, here is the idea. I agree that it's better to lay it down already, and see where it leads us to.

If you don't like it, I beg you to spare the guy with the initiative!

The details and further suggestions are being discussed in the A6 mailing list (here: http://lists.soulrebels.com/listinfo.cg ... rebels.com).
I am happy to report only surprising enthusiasm and positiveness so far over there, and we are already on our way.

Hope to have your support and set a good precedent together.

Here it is:
m127 (Ivan) via email on the a6 mailing list
OK, guys.

I guess to expedite and to not hold your breaths longer than necessary and risk putting your expectations too high, maybe I will just unveil the idea now.

The objective is this: to get a professional developer to create the a6 librarian/editor our synth deserves> standalone, Mac/W-compatible, including all functions considered standard in pro librarian/editor (as much as the a6’s MIDI implementation permits).

My approach to make it happen is this: Basically, the idea came from observing the same question over and over in different forums and communities: where can I get a pro A6 editor/librarian? In digging more, I saw many attempts have been made and usually those were medium to very low quality results compared to what a synth such as the a6 deserves.

So I thought: how come we don’t have a professional one? From my findings in talking directly to some developers, I realized they were hesitant from the low direct requests AND because when they were proactively interested, the a6 was simply NOT ready for it (remember how the MIDI implementation was one of the major shortcomings of the initial OSs?) Long story short, I have been in talks with a couple of pro reputable developers, and they showed genuine initial interest when I told them that we could gather at least 100 interested licensees for version 1. Let’s be realistic, who would want to take the risk to develop such product for a discontinued hw synth just like that?

So my idea to approach this obstacle is: that we create together a win-win situation both for us (getting the pro editor-librarian that we want and need) and for them (securing a minimally juicy initial user base of 100 users and the rights over the sw for future maintenance and marketing, etc.) Thus, this is not a for-profit initiative for us (especially not for me for the sake of honesty), we just want a GREAT librarian at the very least… and so I took the initiative to talk to devs and to rally for your attention, which is why we are talking about this now . I know there may be better ways and what not, but without initiative and driven will there is nothing really, and we all know there was indeed nothing going on for our a6 since the dismal product discontinuation was announced.

Finally for now, in talking to these developers, they think my suggestion to rally for a committed and guaranteed initial user base of at least 100 licensees so that they see the project is financially feasible IS A GOOD ONE and I have their initial interest, and so it’s up to us to show unity and genuine, honest interest for this project.

So, before we go any further, I would like to ask you directly 2 things for which an answer would be very appreciated:
1. Would you like to see a professional librarian or editor or both as much as I would?
2. Would you be willing to help me rally for the initial 100 licensees target AND be one of them, which already is sweet sounding to the ears of potential devs?


If my idea seems stupid to you, I apologize (please spare the guy with the initiative!!) However, I assure you it has been well received by potential pro devs and I truly think the 100 licensee target could be easily attainable if we pull together.

I am one of those willing to even provide the funds for 3 licenses myself for the sake of seeing this positive project taking off the ground. Of course, I never agreed to pay for the full license in advance in my proposal to them. My thought was that they could get inspired even with a 50% down payment just to show our seriousness, which should be more than enough, and we can even negotiate this further with WHOEVER developer we all want to work with for this project, once we start laying down the options.

For now, let me know your responses to those 2 questions guys, and thanks much for your attention and patience. Hope this was not uberlong email, I tried to be as concise and informative as possible.

Ivan.

Thanks for posting, but I'm out. Why would I want an editor or librarian for this awesome synth??? I've got a RAM card, more than enough memory. And I don't need to say something about the very usable interface the A6 already has.

You could have said this all along, no big deal.

Cheers!

pflosi wrote:Thanks for posting

That's OK. There are many users showing interest already. A VST version for MAC and Windows is seriously being discussed as well with the potential developers.

It's natural some users are very commited to their own way of doing things.
Other users embrace permanent workflow improvement. A VST version could prove useful for users of DAWs, etc.

This was also posted in the a6 list:

"Very respectable of course.
In my case, I also own a DSI Poly Evolver KB.
I prefer programming directly on it as it is full of "tasty" knobs, but having its pro librarian/editor is VERY useful.
This happens to me all the time: I load the librarian to audition hundreds of sounds quickly (this could never be as fast directly on the synth). I like the ability to change names fast, categorize and also, while auditioning I can detect something I don't like and make a super quick tweak to any sound.

What I am saying is: I see this software as a very useful accessory tool, more than as a programming replacing tool."





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I knew this was going to upset me. I've seen these threads on numerous forums and pretty much seen several people echo my own sentiments. You've been saying Tell and I'll Show or you show and I'll Tell for some time now- all to find out it's a (dreamware) commercial librarian-

Doesn't make sense and it never did to approach it this way. If it drops (ever) you'll STILL have to be on all these forums AND MORE to let people know it exists and it needs to make money (back)over time. A mailing list is like you're looking for a big opening weekend, for a synth that's been around forever.

AND without details (like $$$) maybe it would have been best to get 3 or 4 enthusiastic investors instead of lightly committed potentials on a mailing list.

Or getting a 100 folks that think they would BUY ONE, which certainly aint that list.
And...
And....

If you had said.....eh....[ loses desire to post, hits submit button and exits forum ]

... or start a kickstarter project for it.

^ what he said.


I wish I had thought of this in the How We See Forum Members thread

http://www.hark.com/clips/shdyzhkttt-as ... damn-robot

Another one of my favorite movies.
This was actually the FIRST movie my father picked up and I watched after we got our first VCR.