Your opinion: Best all around gigging synth

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Your opinion: Best all around gigging synth

Post by Mattew96 » Mon May 25, 2015 1:44 pm

A friend and I recently had a discussion. He was looking to buy a single keyboard for gigging (he is primarily a guitarist) which does a great job at reproducing synths, and then also has some good but not necessarily amazing job at Rhodes, piano, organ, clav, etc. Also, it has to come in at a max of $1500.

Immediately my mind jumped to the Kingkorg, I mean, that's basically THE on the box description of what it does (ironically, the JD-Xa also fits the bill perfectly, and would probably sound a bit better, but is too expensive like so many people predicted would be a problem), and in my opinion, with the right set of hands the KK sounds just superb. Then I also thought about the Jupiter 50 which, though it isn't very very knobby, has beautiful and fully editable out of the box synths and instruments that have always been so intriguing and lovely to me. But, me being me, I'm curious about other alternatives, especially on the vintage front. I've been doing some research and I'd like to know what you all think about the qualities of some of these keyboards as standalone gigging keyboards, primarily used for synth emulation (preferably with max knobs) but also with some quite nice natural pianos, rhodes, etc.
Some examples of what I dug up (never really having looked into keyboards like this before because I don't mind hauling around a triple stack of specialized keyboards):

Yamaha EX5 (this one sounds pretty infallible to me, like a 1990s Jupiter 50 almost, and is very cheap, coming in around $500 (CAD though))
Yamaha MOX series (a lot of people's secret weapons it seems these days)
Roland Fantom series (though they look kinda cheezy, they sound great, and let you record and process external sounds. These are usually pretty pricey, more on this in a second)
Roland XP 50/80 (predecessor to the Fantom, not as feature laden but cheaper)
Roland Juno G/Gi/Stage (this, according to SOS, is basically a repackaged Fantom in a fashionable case. In Canada these also go around $500 and I can't see the bill being fit any better than one of these guys. The Stage eliminates external effect processing and multitrack recording, which are useful but ultimately unnecessary features for a gigging musician (unless they want to get experimental))
Roland Juno Di (of a different ilk than the G series but still a very nice sounding big box o sounds)
Harder to find: GEM Equinox (I may have lied earlier, I did end up looking for a good all around midi controller not too long ago and it came down to this or a Technics WSA-1 (I got the Technics due to nostalgia). This thing has plenty of knobs and has pretty good sounding stuff, as well as live-editable controls. Good job, Italy)
The Korg Trinity or Triton both deserve mention here, though they can sometimes max out the budget, you can also find some cheaper ones out there too, and Korg makes a mean workstation, as we all know so well. :)

Sooooo, any thoughts on any of these keyboards? Anybody have anything to add to this list? I look forward to reading any responses!
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Re: Your opinion: Best all around gigging synth

Post by meatballfulton » Mon May 25, 2015 2:23 pm

Which is most important, the synths or the piano/organ/clav?

If the latter, then a ROMpler with MOX and MOXF being on the top of my list (disclaimer: I own a Motif XF) then Korg Krome or Korg Kross. I'm personally not crazy about the Roland FA so would place that on the bottom of the list.

If buying used, as you know there are so many to choose from. How portable does it need to be? Wall wart power acceptable or must it have a real AC cord? Most importantly what is available locally since mail ordering used keyboards is a crapshoot.
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Re: Your opinion: Best all around gigging synth

Post by seamonkey » Mon May 25, 2015 2:25 pm

I love my KingKorg, but I don't think of it as an all in one synth, especially if it's going to be the only keyboard being used for live performance.

My suggestion would be a used Korg Kronos 61, it's got more than enough power and has enough versatility to go from organ to grand piano to orchestra sounds to analog modeling, etc,plus the Karma technology.
You can pre-record backing tracks via the sequence, add drums, and then play live.
I've seen the Kronos 61's going on ebay for at least $1600.
The nice thing about the Kronos is it will provide a creative pallet for years to come.

I'm not sure about the durability of gigging with it all the time, I've heard some issues with the earlier models of the HD becoming hot, but that's probably not an issue. And maybe someone who is more familiar with the Kronos can address my comment.

If that's not an option, a fully loaded Triton but although you can steal squeeze some great sounds out of them, I think the sound is a bit dated.
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Re: Your opinion: Best all around gigging synth

Post by Mattew96 » Mon May 25, 2015 3:28 pm

The idea is a strong synth and an acceptable rhodes, etc. But what's the point of having a crappy rhodes or piano? You'd never use them! So I guess it's more of a synth friendly interface with knobs but good all around sound anyways.
Wall wart is annoying but OK. Budget is gonna be budget. 61 key is about optimal size, and not worried about local availability so much as a general look at competitors in this field.
The Kronos is a beast. No doubt. It gets huge cred from me, but it is pretty large for a 61 key keyboard, and heavy as I recall. Also tops out the budget. I'd be interested to hear some experiences from lugging it gig to gig. It's not quite as easy to predict than, say, a simple EX5 or something.
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Re: Your opinion: Best all around gigging synth

Post by yorgatron » Mon May 25, 2015 5:39 pm

Casio XW-P1 is what I gig with.

the organ and synth sounds are really good.

the piano & clavinet, not so much, but they're tolerable.

if your friend doesn't have a real clavinet/piano at home he won't know the difference.

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Re: Your opinion: Best all around gigging synth

Post by vicd » Mon May 25, 2015 6:31 pm

Sounds like a Kurzweil to me... whichever of them fits the bill.

I don't like the drums, but the drums like me!

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Re: Your opinion: Best all around gigging synth

Post by gcoudert » Mon May 25, 2015 10:40 pm

I'm a Fantom X user and that thing never ceases to amaze me. It covers all your bread-and-butter sounds, it sounds great and the user interface is fantastic. The X8 is bloody heavy (46kg incl. the flight case) but the X6/X7 are more portable.
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