Multiple instances of FX running parallel

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Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by tallowwaters » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:25 am

Here is the deal.

I am running something out of my pre into 6 different FX units, all parallel (so each one has its own track). Currently I have had no issue just daisy chaining the Y cables, but I feel there has be something like the 'passive multiple' Squarewave Parade used to make or some other answer. I am a little worried about the load I am putting on the output amp (which is likely negligible ) but the physical strain of those Y cables coming loose of their support and pulling on the output jack is a real fear.

Rack Patchbays won't work. It has to be compact.
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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by mwbassguy » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:55 am

well, most multiples on modular synths are strictly passive, so you could just get one of those modules and cover the back in electrical tape.
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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by tallowwaters » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:10 am

Thanks, will have a peak around.
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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by Stab Frenzy » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:23 am

I don't think that a passive 6-way split is officially a good idea if you're running into regular line level devices, although if it's very high impedance guitar pedals and stuff it shouldn't be a problem. Rules were made to be broken though, as long as it sounds good to you I'm sure it'll be fine, unless you melt something in the output stage of your pre cause you're drawing too much current. :D

I'd just make a passive splitter in stompbox if I were you. You can solder can't you? Every gentleman knows how to.

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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by tallowwaters » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:22 pm

Stab Frenzy wrote:unless you melt something in the output stage of your pre cause you're drawing too much current. :D
s**t, now you have me worried. I thought any pull would be too small to matter.

I guess I could make one. Would I run multiple leads from the input or daisy chain the outputs?
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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by hageir » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:00 am

I had same thing a couple of months ago!
I found that there's this little thing called Hosa MHB -something..
Well, it was definitely made by Hosa, I remember that; because I bought one from some online-store and never received it!

I think it was a little splitter-box..

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also, DOD made a little thing called Resistance Mixer, which is a passive mixer (4 in 1 out or something)
and IIRC there should be an "inverted" version of it..
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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by Stab Frenzy » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:59 am

tallowwaters wrote:
Stab Frenzy wrote:unless you melt something in the output stage of your pre cause you're drawing too much current. :D
s**t, now you have me worried. I thought any pull would be too small to matter.

I guess I could make one. Would I run multiple leads from the input or daisy chain the outputs?
Would be the same thing really electrically, but i'd probably run multiples from the input so that each ground path was the same. Probably wouldn't make a difference but that's the 'ideal' way of doing it.

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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by hageir » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:36 pm

Hey Tallow!

It's called Hosa AJB-126!
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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by tallowwaters » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:44 pm

Thanks guys. Looking into right now. That little Hosa mixer is one hard monkey to find!
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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by HideawayStudio » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:48 pm

tallowwaters wrote:Here is the deal.

I am running something out of my pre into 6 different FX units, all parallel (so each one has its own track). Currently I have had no issue just daisy chaining the Y cables, but I feel there has be something like the 'passive multiple' Squarewave Parade used to make or some other answer. I am a little worried about the load I am putting on the output amp (which is likely negligible ) but the physical strain of those Y cables coming loose of their support and pulling on the output jack is a real fear.

Rack Patchbays won't work. It has to be compact.
Dont worry about the load on your preamp - it will be fine - the most that will happen is that the signal will clip or become overly attenuated due to the output stages driving into too low an impedance. As for the weight of the leads why don't you plug a short extension lead into the preamp and then plug your y-leads into that?

What I would be more concerned about is running into potential phasing problems due to near similar multiple signals entering the mix - unless this is an effect you want of course ;)

Speaking of multiple FX - have you ever tried feeding the output of an FX processor back into its input? - you can create some truely mad sound fx this way!

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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by hageir » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:49 am

tallowwaters wrote:Thanks guys. Looking into right now. That little Hosa mixer is one hard monkey to find!
here's one!
http://www.mooresmusicemporium.com/prod ... e113a4494a
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Re: Multiple instances of FX running parallel

Post by tallowwaters » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:46 pm

HideawayStudio wrote:
What I would be more concerned about is running into potential phasing problems due to near similar multiple signals entering the mix - unless this is an effect you want of course ;)

Speaking of multiple FX - have you ever tried feeding the output of an FX processor back into its input? - you can create some truely mad sound fx this way!
Worrying about comb filtering and phasing issues in my vocals would be pointless. 2 grain shifters, a phasing delay, a reverse reverb, a continually scrolling delay time for pitch f**k, ring and frequency modulation, etc, plus layers of sharply notched and cut distorted crystal element mic'ing make fidelity a non issue.
hageir wrote:
tallowwaters wrote:Thanks guys. Looking into right now. That little Hosa mixer is one hard monkey to find!
here's one!
http://www.mooresmusicemporium.com/prod ... e113a4494a
That'd be the one I saws, but I am a bit wary about the site.
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