D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

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D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by intrancewetrust » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:03 pm

looking to make some nice big pad type sounds. inspired by this guy :)



he seems to rate the jd-800 highly as a pad machine. however, i already have a D-50... i just cant program the damn thing. so i could possibly buy a pg1000, or buy a jd800 instead. i guess i want to know if the d50 is capable of such huge pads if programmed properly? or should i just bite the bullet and get the jd800. obviously a pg1000 will cost a bit less than the jd...

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by D-Collector » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:17 pm

Learn to program it man, it will be a lot more rewarding. But don't waste your time with the PG-1000. Parameters are not "saved" when changing partials, meaning once you switch to tweak another partial you have to mentally remember what position the slider had if you switch back, unless you want to screw up your programming. Keep in mind that a D-50 patch is often a combination of 4 partials, and you are in for a BIG headache. Yes, you can tweak all 4 at the same time but that usually results in one big boring sound, with horrible phasing unless you take time to detune the partials.

No, learn to program it from the front panel. After a while you remember everything like having a map in your head, and programming is a breeze. I programmed hundreds of sounds on my D-50, it is really no problem if you put your heart into it and if you have the time. Because it IS time consuming.

The JD-800 is nice but different from the D-50. More expensive too. It all depends on what kind of sound you prefer. I totally fell in love with the D-50s characteristics from the moment I heard it. And there are loads of BIG pad sounds for it.

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by Pro5 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:58 pm

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by intrancewetrust » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:44 am

dzzz that sucks about the pg-1000. so if i understand correctly, you have to program each partial independently? so you need to have 'an idea' of where each partial needs to be at, because you cant recall its slider settings for further editing? and therefore to have a 'true' one slider per function interface, you would essentially need 4 PG-1000's? (i realise this is not possible in practice)

is this really *that* limiting? i just cant see myself learning to menu dive the d-50 (i really despise it)

is there a better option out there? like a JX-10 or something? or does the sheer amount of 'stuff' you need to program to make a nice pad mean its better left to software?

*also i cant believe there is the exact same question on this page...derp sorry... i searched the forum for "JD800 D50" without the dashes and nothing came up. appologies :oops: *

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by CS_TBL » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:02 pm

Pro5 wrote:.. and the whole thing looks like it was designed by a 5 year old :)
Give that kid a senior job then.. I think the JD800 looks great.
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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by Pro5 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:34 am

forget it... I got my JD now - and I agree with everyone. It's an amazing synth.
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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by iProg » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:41 pm

I've used both, still use the D-50 regulary because it simply sounds better. (IMO)

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by vicd » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:00 pm

Can anybody chime in with a "V-Synth + D-50 card" vs. the original two contenders?

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by intrancewetrust » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:19 pm

gah, just wish it wasnt such a pig to edit things. it literally just sits there since i bought it, after about 20 seconds of squinting at the microscopic LCD screen trying to figure out whats what i just move over to the CS-15 and start merrily twiddling away :(

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by Pro5 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:12 pm

intrancewetrust wrote:gah, just wish it wasnt such a pig to edit things. it literally just sits there since i bought it, after about 20 seconds of squinting at the microscopic LCD screen trying to figure out whats what i just move over to the CS-15 and start merrily twiddling away :(

D-50? Man it's really not that hard at all! think in partials. Mute 3 keep one on then flip around the buttons. I program mine mostly from the keyboard itself but occasionally the lib-editor is fun. Once you get the idea of one partial, and the associated LFOs (for the TONE the partial belongs to - 2 partials per tone) and mod amounts etc.... blah blah - just repeat it for the other 3 partials to suit. It makes more sense the more you mess around with it. If you are only listening to one partial (sound/oscillator) it is similar to a single osc analog in how you program it, also stick to structure mode 1 till you get used to it - pure synth no PCM stuff to mess with.

Once you can press/know the buttons without looking it speeds things up but that only comes with practice and the will to get stuck in.

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by _seph » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:29 pm

vicd wrote:Can anybody chime in with a "V-Synth + D-50 card" vs. the original two contenders?
So V-Synth vs JD-800 and D-50?

Well, I do not currently have a D-50 for a direct A-B comparison but with the VC1 card the V becomes a D-50 except with more waveforms and easier programming via the touchscreen and knobs/sliders. When run in 'D50' mode (which 'degrades' the V's DACs to emulate those of an 80's synth) I doubt that anyone would be able to tell the difference. The V-Synth clearly wins against the D-50 as it is a better D-50 and much much more.

I have never owned a JD-800 but have a JD-990 with the Vintage Synth card and all that has been previously said in numerous threads concerning the JD vs the D is still true of the VC1. The V-Synth is in my opinion Roland's greatest synth. A JP-8000 merged with a VP-9000 and loaded with a suite of COSM effects that turns into a D-50, if I could only keep one synth it would be the V.

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by Pro5 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:15 am

update: Get both :P the only way to be sure... (these are my 2 beauties)

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by Nannerfan » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:16 am

Two of my favorite Rolands.

Out of the 2 I'd have to pick the D-550. ;)
For a rack synth it's very easy to program and get around once you know the shortcuts..

That said, once I had a JD-800... it was so much easier to program that it inspired me to go back to the D-50/550.

I got to the point with the JD-800 that I would use it in multi-mode, programming about 4 sounds at once. Going back to the D-50/550 having to only concentrate on 1 sound, it was far easier.

I'd say pick up the JD-800 and have "fun" for awhile.. then go back to the D-50.
You'll find you don't even need the programmer anymore.. and it just sounds a bit sweeter than the JD-800 for pads.

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by Pro5 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:59 pm

Nannerfan wrote: I'd say pick up the JD-800 and have "fun" for awhile.. then go back to the D-50.
You'll find you don't even need the programmer anymore.. and it just sounds a bit sweeter than the JD-800 for pads.
"fun" yes JD is fun, it's more than that - it's a serious musical work tool and I've now sold my D-50 (which I loved). There's more to the JD-800 than a bit of slider fun, it puts out consistently useful musical sounds, in a mix it works amazingly well. D-50 is great too. It's just a matter of choice or taste. I can't say the D-50 sounds better all the time because it does far less than what the JD-800 does, in fact aside from the occasional pad, they sound quite different in tone and complexity.

D-50 has a little more in it's engine but loses out on filter based stuff. A lot of the sounds I'm making for the JD are totally impossible on the D-50, the best stuff I had on the D-50 was gorgeous and unique stuff that served a purpose but it was not the better all rounder. In isolation the D-50 sounds warmer, thicker than the JD-800 but in an actual song the D-50's pads are no better (sometimes they need a bit more EQ in fact to fit). I had to free up some room and for me the JD-800 surpasses the D-50 as a more varied, contemporary useful sound design machine. Have owned a lot of D-50s and programmed them inside and out, and no doubt I'll pick up another at some point (maybe the rack) but no doubt I'll end up selling it again as I always do. The JD-800 however just has the sound I need, itself it sounds vibrant, fizzy, synthetic in a good way and can also be dark, aggressive, epic and analogesque in how it's filter responds - all of these are good qualities and none of them were present in the D-50 (aside from 'epic' and possibly 'vibrant'). Not denying the D-50 has it's own mojo, it's a very special synth and in full synth mode (no pcm) it puts out sounds that are unique and warm that no other digital can.

I really have no need now for 2 roland digital 'pad monsters' and the JD wins for me, it's just so inspiring to make new sounds on, and the real time control (proper real time not just editing as on the D-50) opens up a lot of new musical doorways - and the effects are brilliant, the distortion gives very aggressive depeche mode style synths (as the JD was used a lot on the "songs of faith and devotion" album - not surprising).

D-50 will always be in my top 5 digital synths but to dismiss the JD as mere 'fun distraction' vs it, is wrong, for me at least, as it works really well, classy, noise free, hands on and can do far more than the D-50. D-50 makes your jaw drop at times, again in isolation, some of it's pads are other-wordly and gorgeous but I've used them, I've programmed the h**l out of the D-50 and I need new sonic possibilities and for me the JD-800 is the next stage up, sacrifice a bit of warmth but gain a much more useful instrument over a range of sounds.

Not only that but the JD also semi-replaces other synths I've had, while the D-50 really just did it's own thing. JD for me replaces what I liked, and what I could get from my past synths like AX80, DW-8000, D-50 (sort of), even some polysix style res filter tricks! That's some going for a digital synth! and in that package with totally beautiful interface and instant hands on - it's a sound designers dream.

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Re: D-50 + PG1000 vs JD-800

Post by Nannerfan » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:05 am

True.. the JD-800 is much more useful/diverse.

For me, one of the simple pleasures of the JD-800 over the D-50 is using the FAT SQUARE wav and just making very edgy heavy short/tight FM'ish sounds that even a DX can't do... because of the filter.

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