V-Synth vs Triton (swap)

[Hybrid88]

what would i need to record audio?or direct into the mic input?

Just your bog standard USB audio/MIDI interface. Google M-Audio or MOTU, pretty much every company makes audio interfaces these days. The small one's with audio in/out and MIDI in/out are a great option for home studio's. Check out the Ultralight MK3 from MOTU a fantastic all round interface for Logic or a cheaper alternative would be M-Audio offerings.

Check this http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm site for more info on all this stuff (the guides are up the left side of the page) , it's great for people who are starting out, helped me alot

[swainclubber]

thanks alot for your help mate, much appreciated.might just do that then

[swainclubber]

what would i need to record audio?or direct into the mic input?

Just your bog standard USB audio/MIDI interface. Google M-Audio or MOTU, pretty much every company makes audio interfaces these days. The small one's with audio in/out and MIDI in/out are a great option for home studio's. Check out the Ultralight MK3 from MOTU a fantastic all round interface for Logic or a cheaper alternative would be M-Audio offerings.

Check this http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm site for more info on all this stuff (the guides are up the left side of the page) , it's great for people who are starting out, helped me alot

one thing, when i look at some of these audio interfaces for USB, the are just the small jack plug just like the mic in on my macbook.do i need to convert my line outs to small jacks?

[Hybrid88]

Not exactly sure what you mean but the idea of an external interface is to improve sound quality and latency (delay caused by computer processing) on both audio inputs and outputs, all budget studio interfaces will provide for both stereo audio in and stereo audio out from the interface, ie you wont need to connect any audio leads to your computer's audio in/out's as the interface is replaceing these with higher quality audio.

Another one to consider as well as MOTU and M-Audio is this unit, http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/one.php a very good interface at a reasonable price made by one of the best names in pro interfaces - a great product

[paugui]

I have both a Korg Triton Pro (Classic Edition with 76 keys) and a Roland V-Synth.

If it was a straight trade I think I would do it.
The interface of the V makes it way easier to program and to manipulate the sound in real time, which might be quite useful for a lot of musical styles, as well as the D-Beam and X-Y Pad.

Considering you have to put an Access Virus Classic Rack (which I never used, by the way) in the trade too, I am not sure what I would do.
To be true, you can achieve some really nice pads with the Triton, especially if you have the EXB-PCM05 board installed (I am sure the same applies to the EXB-MOSS which I unfortunately don't have). But even without it, you are able of achieving quite nice sounds (probably not as moving as on the V-Synth due to the lack of the 4 Step Modulators).
It could be easier to program, the V is definitely easier, but it's not that bad (it is totally different from the Karma as it has a tactile interface like the V too).
I only find the Triton could be way better in lead and fat synth sounds, which you probably find on the Virus, which seems to apparently (popular opinion, as I haven't tried both) have a better VA engine than the V-Synth.


I would say that you have to see what is more important for you, crazy synth sounds, plenty of control and different ways of controlling your sounds (which you can find in the V-Synth), or two more conventional sounding sounds that you already know (or are learning) how to explore their potentials.
You have to see which features are more important for you, but either way, I would say that if you make the deal you should try to get some money out of the deal for yourself, or try to make it just a direct switch of the Triton for the V-Synth.

[swainclubber]

thank you so much for your detailed reply.i will swap if i can BUT not with the virus.

cheers for the help people.with regards to the audio interface, do i hook my synth up to them with the outputs on my synth?the interface inputs seem small

[swainclubber]

Not exactly sure what you mean but the idea of an external interface is to improve sound quality and latency (delay caused by computer processing) on both audio inputs and outputs, all budget studio interfaces will provide for both stereo audio in and stereo audio out from the interface, ie you wont need to connect any audio leads to your computer's audio in/out's as the interface is replaceing these with higher quality audio.

Another one to consider as well as MOTU and M-Audio is this unit, http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/one.php a very good interface at a reasonable price made by one of the best names in pro interfaces - a great product

that unit looks fantastic, its not available in UK though yet ;(

[shaft9000]

something IMPORTANT: V synth does NOT have sequencer.

they don't call it that, but since v2.0 OS the 4-part Step Modulator is effectively the same as a step sequencer. It even activates the knob rows for direct value input, or you can draw the 'waveform' direct onto the screen, sort of like a gigantic 16-stage envelope.

but to be clear the 'Sequencing' on the V is NOTHING like the linear multitrack seq in the Triton. Completely different animals: the Tritons seq is for songwriting/composing, whereas the V's seq is for lines, motifs and hands-on tweakification while it's running realtime....the V is NOT true multitimbral.

[balma]

Well, it's a 16 (or 32?) steps sequencer, I meant with "sequencer" the common denomination for "something to build an entire song". This sequencer is not located as a multitimbre section, but it's inside the patches.

BTW, that step sequencer is ill, you can draw it with your finger on the touchscreen, old idea but very well
implemented. It can go backwards, and rewind, there are different ways to make it run. Beatiful.

Combining it with the arpeggio sequencer allows you to create very complex minisequences, that can include almost any parameter variation, drawing it on the touch screen. Bad point: touchscreen becomes almost useless on arppegio programming....

2.0 version is good, but you lose some .waves of the previous version that were very cool. For those ones who does want to keep those waves, there is a O.S. that is like half-way between the previous and the new 2.0, keeping a little bit from both operative systems.

Also it includes a LAZY producers new feature, that is like an "auto patch design" .... you press the touchscreen button "hard lead" and the V synth automatically displays a new patch with parameters oriented to a hard lead.. . you don't have to scratch your balls alone V synth will do it for you!



After having a "karma-triton" and a Vsynth, I will give away my triton, virus A and my cat included for the V synth and $100...

[swainclubber]

Well, it's a 16 (or 32?) steps sequencer, I meant with "sequencer" the common denomination for "something to build an entire song". This sequencer is not located as a multitimbre section, but it's inside the patches.

BTW, that step sequencer is ill, you can draw it with your finger on the touchscreen, old idea but very well
implemented. It can go backwards, and rewind, there are different ways to make it run. Beatiful.

Combining it with the arpeggio sequencer allows you to create very complex minisequences, that can include almost any parameter variation, drawing it on the touch screen. Bad point: touchscreen becomes almost useless on arppegio programming....

2.0 version is good, but you lose some .waves of the previous version that were very cool. For those ones who does want to keep those waves, there is a O.S. that is like half-way between the previous and the new 2.0, keeping a little bit from both operative systems.

Also it includes a LAZY producers new feature, that is like an "auto patch design" .... you press the touchscreen button "hard lead" and the V synth automatically displays a new patch with parameters oriented to a hard lead.. . you don't have to scratch your balls alone V synth will do it for you!



After having a "karma-triton" and a Vsynth, I will give away my triton, virus A and my cat included for the V synth and $100...

interesting! sounds quite cool, i take it that is the original v-synth?mine is the virus classic rack not a virus A!

[Hybrid88]

...cheers for the help people.with regards to the audio interface, do i hook my synth up to them with the outputs on my synth?the interface inputs seem small

Yes, It's fairly simple, just connect the stereo out from the synth to the line in of the interface. The only thing to keep in mind which you may not know is that the types of plugs may be different however "all" line outputs can be adapted to fit the right plug for the input. The most common one's are RCA's, XLR's, 1/4 inch Line jacks and "mini" jacks which are the same as a 1/4 inch only smaller.

Here's a good index for more info on these and other types of Jacks -

http://support.radioshack.com/support_t ... q-2C.htm#1

The easiest way to connect the two is to get an audio adapter, go to your local electronics or music store and they'll be able to show you what you need. You can use individual adapters or an adapter lead to achieve the same result.

...just had a look at the Apogee One and i'm not even sure it has a stereo input, I can see it has a stereo mini jack headphone out, a XLR mic in and a 1/4" mono guitar/Line in but thats it. Anyone else confirm this?

...interesting! sounds quite cool, i take it that is the original v-synth?mine is the virus classic rack not a virus A!

The original V-Synth has three operating system software versions, V1, V1.5 and V2.

I'm pretty sure the Virus classic is the virus A, there were two A or "classic" versions, the Virus A Keyboard and the Virus A rack, same thing AFAIK.

[Stab Frenzy]

No, the Virus Classic is the same as a Virus B desktop. It's an actual product, not just a 'classic' Virus, it came out mid-way through the life of the Virus C so that people with low budgets could still buy a Virus.

[Hybrid88]

No, the Virus Classic is the same as a Virus B desktop. It's an actual product, not just a 'classic' Virus, it came out mid-way through the life of the Virus C so that people with low budgets could still buy a Virus.

Ah ok, so how does it fit in the product line?, I know going by age that there is the -

- Virus A Keyboard / Desktop
- Virus B Keyboard / Rack / Desktop / Indigo
- Virus C Keyboard / Rack XL / Desktop / Indigo 2 / Redback / (Virus Classic?)
- Virus Ti Keyboard / Rack or Desktop / Snow
- Virus Ti2 Keyboard / Rack or Desktop / Snow

Is that it? I think I was getting confused between the virus classic and the virus A desktop
- Geez they look similar at a glance, I didn't realise they were even *two* seperate synths they look so alike I though that they were just 1 virus A desktop

Dare I say it, I think it's time Access made something without virus in the name - too many to remember these days

Cheers stab


To swainclubber - Check out the Duet by Apogee, this interface definately has stereo in/out's and is a little older so will be already available in shops, might even be on sale due to the One superceeding it

Link - http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php

[swainclubber]

No, the Virus Classic is the same as a Virus B desktop. It's an actual product, not just a 'classic' Virus, it came out mid-way through the life of the Virus C so that people with low budgets could still buy a Virus.

Ah ok, so how does it fit in the product line?, I know going by age that there is the -

- Virus A Keyboard / Desktop
- Virus B Keyboard / Rack / Desktop / Indigo
- Virus C Keyboard / Rack XL / Desktop / Indigo 2 / Redback / (Virus Classic?)
- Virus Ti Keyboard / Rack or Desktop / Snow
- Virus Ti2 Keyboard / Rack or Desktop / Snow

Is that it? I think I was getting confused between the virus classic and the virus A desktop
- Geez they look similar at a glance, I didn't realise they were even *two* seperate synths they look so alike I though that they were just 1 virus A desktop

Dare I say it, I think it's time Access made something without virus in the name - too many to remember these days

Cheers stab


To swainclubber - Check out the Duet by Apogee, this interface definately has stereo in/out's and is a little older so will be already available in shops, might even be on sale due to the One superceeding it

Link - http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php

ok cheers i will look into it

[Stab Frenzy]

- Virus A Keyboard / Desktop
- Virus B Keyboard / Rack / Desktop / Indigo
- Virus C Keyboard / Rack XL / Desktop / Indigo 2 / Redback / (Virus Classic?)
- Virus Ti Keyboard / Rack or Desktop / Snow
- Virus Ti2 Keyboard / Rack or Desktop / Snow

Is that it? I think I was getting confused between the virus classic and the virus A desktop

I think so, except you forgot the Polars.