Does exist something like THIS?

moog-lover · Post by **moog-lover** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:02 pm

EDIT (as to be more precise):

I've got a lot of 808, 909, cr-78, tr-55 samples and i'd like to put them via USB in some hardware sampler/stepsequencer(x0x) with SD card or somthing for sample's storage at least 2gb.

I saw the Roland MC 303...but is too old , and the mc505,808,909 or the Electribe, akai MPCs, but they are too complete and expensive..
The closest one should be Korg Electribe ESX-1 SD , but I was looking something cheaper, simple and minimal.

Post by **silikon** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:20 pm

moog-lover wrote:put them through a software via USB in some machine sampler/stepsequencer in which you could edit ADRS/filter/fx of the samples and can save patterns. It would be better if you could reproduce several patterns (made with differnt samples) at the same time. Midi and SD card or somthing for sample's storage, but not special flash memories with 64mb...
Beyond this, it would be great having the possibility to sync everything with the computer through that software, and run as VST on Ableton and other softwares.

moog-lover wrote:cheaper, simple and minimal.

I see what you did there.

Note that all your requirements do not at all evoke ideas of cheap and simple.

The closest thing that comes to mind is NI Maschine... (I guess)

Post by **samuraipizzacat29** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:23 pm

moog-lover wrote: cheaper, simple and minimal.

unfortunately - nope. you can go the route of software (I LOVE maschine) but there's nothing I know of that samples and has that much inter-operability. There's some 8-bit diy samplers out there, but they're definitely not what you're looking for and even they run on the expensive side of things.

in my experience the electribe esx is definitely the best way to go and if you're cheap like me, you could get one secind-hand for a reasonable price ($300ish). Past that, I'd try and find a cheap MPC. But after Maschine, everything else seems overpriced or have too limited a feature set. (imo).

edit: I like when I agree with silikon

Post by **meatballfulton** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:26 pm

Does it have to be hardware? There are numerous VST "drum machines" on the market.

Since you mentioned Ableton Live, Drum Racks would do the job.

If you need real time control over the patterns, get a Launchpad.

Post by **samuraipizzacat29** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:33 pm

fyi launchpad and (I believe) apc 20/40 are not velocity sensitive. So, if you're planning on "playing" your control surface, you need something like an mpc, mpd, korg nanopad, etc etc etc.

but yes, there's a ton of, even free, drum software out there for triggering samples.

moog-lover · Post by **moog-lover** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:57 pm

Aaaaa..the NI Maschine , it's great .

I must have been very ambicious, you're right, but at least only this words "put the samples through a software via USB in some machine sampler/stepsequencer" and "SD Card".

Yes , I was looking for a hardware surface , I'm really learning from the software scene but I'd like to have somthing like this on an instrument with that specific purpose, turn on , putting the samples into the sequencer, and play.

Post by **samuraipizzacat29** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:20 pm

mpc500

moog-lover · Post by **moog-lover** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:30 pm

samuraipizzacat29 wrote:mpc500

mmm..it's even more expensive than the NI Maschine I saw! and this: "16MB of memory comes standard and can be expanded up to 128MB."
The NI Maschine is I think the most complete, beautiful and pc-sync machine .. it could be the ambicious one i was looking for.

But the minimal one I'm looking for would only play the samples from a sequencer (kinda TR808) reading from an SD card. It doesn't seem to exist.

Post by **samuraipizzacat29** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:39 pm

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_ ... Categories
I think $300 is the going rate for those. there's one on right now for $175 with 0 bids.

16mb is the flash memory. It means you can have 16mb of samples usable in memory at any given time. Storage is what's on your compact flash card. If 16mb of RAM isn't enough for you to work with, you can pay to upgrade it. Compact flash is cheap.

maschine is awesome, but it's only useable in combination with a pc. MPC500 definitely seems like your best bet for what you want.

moog-lover · Post by **moog-lover** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:50 pm

Three newbie questions.
1. Ah, it's 16 mb of RAM, and how much space does the mpc500 support using a compact flash card?
2. The mpc500 have 12 pads, so i suppose that you can sequence at least in 1/12 , not in 1/16?
2. The NI Maschine is only usable connected to pc? Can't you keep everything in the maschine as to play it alone?

pd: i'm not very interested in playing the samples manually but put them into the step sequencer.

Post by **samuraipizzacat29** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:56 pm

1. at least 2gb (per their website)
2. As far as i know, you can sequence in whatever time you want. Pads is just the number of playable surfaces you have, and likely the number of samples that you can have loaded in individual banks. I'm not sure how many samples/banks you can have on mpc500, you can consult the manual. (i would think 4 banks of 12, but that's just a guess)
3. yep maschine is just a controller for the software that runs on your pc. It utilizes the Inputs and outputs that are on your computer system, and so isn't taken to be a standalone device. It's great for laptop performers, but you'll need at least that and computer if you're looking to have something more than a brick.

and feel free to ask away.

moog-lover · Post by **moog-lover** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:14 pm

thank you!!!
Ohh! I was thinking about how to buy it (the Maschine).
it's a pity because it has an easy-to-use Screen, even shows you the sample wave.

Post by **meatballfulton** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:20 pm

moog-lover wrote:Ah, it's 16 mb of RAM

The MPC500 accepts a 128MB RAM expansion

No EG or LFO to sweep the filter

moog-lover · Post by **moog-lover** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:48 pm

I've just realized one important thing I can't see clearly on the MPC500 or the "also-standalone-fantasy-NIMaschine" is that I guess that you can record (with quantize functions) playing the pads but you don't have the step sequencer like the tr's, the mc-303, or the electribe's , where you can make the pattern step by step, and that's important for what i'm looking for. Am I wrong?

Post by **samuraipizzacat29** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:54 pm

maschine definitely has step sequencing as does the mpc.

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