V Synth Question

[tallowwaters]

Okay, I've yet to find any info on the web, so feel free to call me names if I have missed an obvious link...

Is there any literature explaining how to better use the V Synths encoding/compression algos? The manual if absolutely useless in this regard, only minimally explaining marking events and which compression curved should be used on decaying or looped samples, but is there any in depth look at encode depth, tips and tricks, etc, besides the frustrating trial and error?

[balma]

I haven't browse for tips on the lite-ensemble-solo formats, and left all the fun to the experimentation process.

I will always use the lite for those sounds that are going to be looped. I try to avoid as much as necessary to use solo and format in order to keep a pristine sound on low frequencies.


I have notice that basses and specially KICKS lost a lot of its "punchiness" when formated. So I use LITE for them and the resulting sample is quite satisfactory.

I use the solo format for leads that are going to be played mono and on high notes and have decay. shorty sounds

I often use ensemble format for sounds that I sampled, and I know have more than one note on it. Not necessarily chords, but sounds that have, for example C2 and C3 at the same time. Most of the harmonic samples that contain several notes or sound on it sound terrible with the solo mode.

Sometimes, I obtain very interesting results, sampling a bass on C3-C4, formating with ensemble, and then, resampling it on lower notes like G1-G2. Some of the resulting notes of the ensemble mode, have a total different character than the other ones. Is like obtaining a very different sample from the source, something unusual on harmonics. I have some audio samples of these results.

I mean I 'm maybe on the same or lower level on the V synth than you. I have 4 years playing the V synth almost every day and I still getting interesting things from it, but I think this is a synth for experimentation and even technicians didn't have a clue of some harmonics resulting from the digital formats.



Each one of my presets have the 16 LAYERS on them.

Samples from layers 1-14, are assigned to the lowest keys of the keyboard, generally, they start on C-2 to higher notes with a kick, hihat, snare, percs, effects, cowbells, sampled voices etc, (any sound that requires only 1 note) All of them are on lite mode. Then the layer 15 is assigned as a companion part from G0 to C2, and the half of the keyboard has a the layer 16, with an harmonic sound formatted on ensemble or solo mode.

So in this way, I get the max from the V synth sounds using it from an external sequencer. On just one track, I can perform 12-14 percussion-drum-effect sounds, and two main sounds.

zone 1: C-2: KICK LITE
zone 2 C #-2: hihat1: LITE
zone 3 D-2: Snare 1: LITe
Zone 4 D-#2: Snare 2: LITE
Zone 5 E-2 clap: LITE
Zone 6 F-2 voice 1: SOLO
Zon 7 F-#2 hihat2: LITE
Zone 8 G-2-A-2: effect: SOLO
Zone 9 A-#2: noise......: LITE...

[OriginalJambo]

The results do vary a lot in my experience and aren't always predictable. I'd generally just try a few to see which one sounds best in any given situation.

Not much help I know, but that's how it is for me.

[tallowwaters]

Ah, I figured as much. Thanks anyhow fellas.

I do have lots of luck assigning formant to keyscale though, such a great feature.

[Hugo76]

Thank you for the useful info, Balma, much appreciated.
Also; Artemyi over at Roland Clan has made a V-Synth tweak book that should provide some clrearifying info.
Go to http://www.rolandclan.com/

[balma]

you are welcome.

Using multiple zones on all the note range (from C-2 to C8) is very useful on the V synth since the multitimbre is very unconfortable. If you are not using those sections of the key scale, is recommendable to assign sounds to them.


such an experimental synth, I love it for that.

IMO one of the best keyboard samplers ever, and last decent Roland product

[Hugo76]

Yes, the V-Synth is a fantastic synth. I did, however, make the "mistake" of checking out the V-Synth GT the other day + a hand full of videos on Youtube - and now I want to upgrade. Damnit, the GT is pretty insane! I'm torn between upgrading to the GT or going for an Access Virus TI. Still have a lot of time to decide, though, so maybe something happens in the meantime.

[xmodz]

I just wanted to add some random links to this discussion.

Jim Stout who used to work for Roland has some cool youtube videos showing ways to use the Vsynth and Vsynth GT. Check out his youtube page for some goodies. Specifically check out the recent videos he did on Variphrase.
http://il.youtube.com/user/jimstout#p/u

Aside from that, there is the previously mentioned Vsynth Tweakbook that you can buy from http://www.sinevibes.com

I've also come across some older Vsynth documents from Roland. You may or may not already have these but they have some useful bits of info in there hidden behind some of the marketing garbage.

http://cms.rolandus.com/assets/media/pd ... hBook1.pdf

http://cms.rolandus.com/assets/media/pd ... hBook2.pdf

I hope that some of that stuff might help you out a little.