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Korg Poly-61 advice? (keyboard? or?)

Post by Algorithm » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:36 pm

(If you dont feel like reading very much skip to the bold text ;) )

So I got this poly-61 years ago, literally years ago, I guess nearly 3 years. I bought it as junk, and the joystick plate was unpopulated when I got it. So I tried to find a joystick to buy for years, only 1 time I had the chance to get 1 from Germany in all that time... but I was too slow and someone else bought that 1.

So recently I decided to open it up even if I didnt have the stick, just to repair the inevitable battery leak.
Well surprise surprise, the joystick was inside of the poly61, seems it had taken a fall sometime before I got it, it completely disassembled the joystick and left the pieces within the interior like beans in a rattle. After reverse engineering the joystick and reassembling it correctly, I attempted to tackle the battery leak.

The battery leak was nowhere nearly as rough as some other poly61s I have seen photos of, although it was still there. I cleaned the board once or twice for 4 days straight, using vinegar, and alcohol.
The bottom of the klm-509a board developed a white film almost entirely over the board after cleaning.
Seems it was either a wax layer or no clean flux, but I doubt it was flux since it covered the entire board nearly.

Cleaning the top was interesting, since the board is populated I couldnt get underneath most IC's and tight nooks and crannies. I also didnt use any baking soda on the component side (out of fear it would cause more trouble in the long run if not fully cleaned/removed)

Well, the top developed a white film in places as well, most notably between legs of components, on many IC's the film is between every leg where if it was conductive it would bridge.

Anyway, I used a coin cell holder for the battery, and I removed the resistor on the charging trace and used a diode there. I put the diode in backwards at first and it created a short where it grounded a section of the panel(program/parameter), after turning it around the right way, everything seems perfect, the display lit up P161, then 11-11 as it should. all front panel buttons function, etc.

So I find a patch tape dump .wav file and try loading the patches back on, using multiple tape dumps from multiple sources, but no matter what I do there are notes hanging.

The first program doesnt hang, but nearly everything until the 50's has notes hanging/playing as soon as it goes to that program. If I noodle around, the hung note changes occasionally to whatever I had just played, seems to have correspondence with certain octaves maybe?

So out of all the programs only a few are not hanging.

Also on many voices with hung notes, if I turn sustain to 0 the hung notes disappear, but so does sustain. ;)

So long story short, tried replacing the battery, put in a coin holder, put in a diode to replace the charging resistor, loaded patch tape wav file, but on 97% of programs/patches there are notes hanging randomly.

Any ideas of what might cause this? Is it the keyboard? maybe still some corrosion hiding under some IC's? cold solder? bad resistor?

I should add, when the joystick was exploded on the interior the copper axis of the pitchbend pot (if I recall)
was wedged in the keyboard under keys, luckily I found that, but if there was some foreign piece of metal still in there, could it cause that?

I also am not 100% certain where the little black ground wire for the keyboard belongs, I attached it to the chassis of the keybed, but I noticed a piece of paper attached to the keybed PCB with aluminum inside of it exposed for the screw head to make contact. Can anyone confirm if that black wire right beneath the middle of the keyboard belongs on the paper or the chassis itself?

Its so close to being A-OK. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.
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Re: Korg Poly-61 advice? (keyboard? or?)

Post by rlg42 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:47 am

The black wire was fastened to the bracket that supports the front panel, in the center of the keybed. The cardboard and metal shield under the keybed is to prevent interference between the keybed signals and the voice board underneath it. The metal part should be connected to the metal frame of the keybed by several of the screws. The cardboard keeps it from shorting out any of the circuitry in the voice board.

I doubt that the keybed is responsible for the hanging notes. Edit your own patch to learn more about it. Turn off specific features to see which one is related to the problem. When you know more about what causes the hanging, you can start trying to determine where the problem is. Seems like it's probably related to battery leak damage, but that's just a guess.

You can unplug the keybed connectors and touch a clip-lead from any of the pins on one to any pin on the other one
and play a note that way. The last pin on the row connector won't play notes on the last 3 column connector pins,
but all other combinations should make notes play. That will remove the keybed from the picture.

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Re: Korg Poly-61 advice? (keyboard? or?)

Post by Jabberwalky » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:50 pm

So what happens when you press the "Hold" button then?"

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