Has anything said on this forum influenced a synth?

[Computer Controlled]

2 of my ideas made it into the latest 2 versions of the SokkOS for the x0xb0x =o] That's about it

[Zamise]

The guy in the middle with the semi nice tie is the marketing guru, yeah? Are these the dudes that helped devlope the RS7000? I got to say if so, its one of the top 10 historic pictures for me personally. I'd love to post it over on the RS yahoo list if so... Yamaha is a wierd deal I know... I'd give my right nut to get to talk to them. I thought their engineers lived in dark hole hiden in the ground or some cave with a floricent light to barely see what they were doing and ate worms and bugs to stay alive on one 2.5 minute lunch break each day, and just tossed stuff out of the pit to their marketers to decide if to pass along to robotic assembly lines that might suffer from the same conditions, except consuming high grade oil, lithium greese and wd40 for lunch.

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thanks ripe very interesting

[ripe]

The guy in the middle with the semi nice tie is the marketing guru, yeah? Are these the dudes that helped devlope the RS7000? I got to say if so, its one of the top 10 historic pictures for me personally. I'd love to post it over on the RS yahoo list if so... Yamaha is a wierd deal I know... I'd give my right nut to get to talk to them. I thought their engineers lived in dark hole hiden in the ground or some cave with a floricent light to barely see what they were doing and ate worms and bugs to stay alive on one 2.5 minute lunch break each day, and just tossed stuff out of the pit to their marketers to decide if to pass along to robotic assembly lines that might suffer from the same conditions, except consuming high grade oil, lithium greese and wd40 for lunch.

Yep, those are the guys who developed the RS7000, and the AW4416. Very cool and down to earth. Feel free to post it on the Yahoo list.

cheers
ripe

[obsidious]

When I told them the number one thing on the list was being able to move from playback to record without stopping the sequencer, they said "Hmm, yes we could do that, but why? Is it important?"

Wow so I pretty much have you to thank for that...Good job man, that's pretty much the greatest thing about the last OS. I'm a bit of a diehard RS7K user myself, it still stubbornly runs my rig, love it. To Ripe and Zamise, do you guys know if it's still possible to get the output expansion from anywhere? I really wanna max it out finally.

Cheers

[OriginalJambo]

I'll let you guess which guy was from marketing

Glasses and tie by any chance?

[Johnny Lenin]

I'll let you guess which guy was from marketing

I'm gonna say the Gaijin...

[chamomileshark]

I doubt if anyone is looking here either.

I think on specialist forums and email groups for the smaller companies, there is an influence, particularly perhaps in the software domain. Even so, I think companies are wary as there are usually a vociferous few pressing for chnages/ new features but they are not owners, have never played the synth and really don't have much understanding of what they are asking/demanding.

[OriginalJambo]

I'll let you guess which guy was from marketing

I'm gonna say the Gaijin...

But isn't that ripe himself? I thought maybe he wanted to be part of the photo.

If that isn't him you're probably right though.

[ripe]

yeah, I'm the outsider.

cheers
ripe

[Johnny Lenin]

yeah, I'm the outsider.

So it's the suit.

[nuketifromorbit]

It's not quite true that the big three don't listen. I spoke with representatives from Yamaha on three separate occasions....I took a list of user enhancements ...directly to the Yamaha engineers in Japan...

Which seems to have nothing to do with this or any other forum...although it does sound like an incredible experience.

I honestly don't think they really understood the market in the US and how people use hardware (for dance music at least).

I think it's because we think from opposite ends. Over there it's cool to take something small and make something big. Here, it's something big used in a small way. The 1st Koassilator video to hit the internet reminds me of this. It was a Japanese guy playing Blues and ther famous songs. The first US video was someone cruising through presets as their big demonstration video- and people got excited about that. I didn't need to see that Gearwire video about the Andromeda A6 to know what it was about.

One mindset will take a simple tool and mod and push it to be something usable and the other needs 100 modulation options and 15 oscillators to make a single sound on an uninteresting piece of music. It's better to dream about owning an 808 then grabbing a few samples from some website for $14.95 and finishing the record.

She wants an SUV to drive to the market.
He wants a sports car to drive to work and sit in traffic.

Much better to look cool then perform at high levels with high performance tools.

If I was going to make something modelled after a Vintage Synth, I would show up here and solicit opinions.
I might say Hey all, what would you make if you could design a Dream Synth or GrooveBox?

If I wanted sales I'd wouldn't need to ask anyone. I put the sounds from a few hit records in a box.
I'd avoid dumb consumer questions by putting a Big Knob with Genres front and center- so the idiots know without even listening to it.
I'd give it a couple of flashing lights...big flashing lights in primary colors...children like that.
I'd make it inexpensive...plastic mostly....
performance based knobbage...

gotta, gotta, gotta have a loud, obnoxious demo that kicks on. It's a motion sensor that reacts to a visual cues and dress style. Tight fitting clothes...suicide angst/emo song kicks on. fitted cap and baggy clothes, hip hop.
Lot's of bad tattoos and dark makeup- goth...
The floor sensor mat underneath the display works too. Converse = punk. Vans triggers prog.
Barefoot triggers folk.

No offense, but Japan has similar "sub-cultures" and/or urban tribes. I'm a bit confused about who your trying to criticize here? Your accusing a Japanese made synth of being tailored to stupid American and European subcultures by including a useless genre knob? Was the microkorg not designed to appeal to the Japanese market as well?

[griffin avid]

No offense, but Japan has similar "sub-cultures" and/or urban tribes.
http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewt ... a&start=15
Those are full genres meant to be a guide for picking sounds. I was goofing on the fact that if you were deep into synths or well music as a whole, you'd find them ...insulting. BUT for someone brand new to music- it might answer newbie-type questions like...is this a good synth for my rock and roll band? Can I make a house record with this?

Someone who's deep into this might push the XL; learn to program it and make some wicked sounds. Someone else will combine it with something else to twist it. Some (like me) will get it because..well...I love my MicroKorg and damnit it looks cool. I'm inspired to try everything- run it through a moogerfooger, layer it with the MicroKorg, mangle the presets- see what the engine can do...make something crazy. Hours and hours of fun.
Someone else will dial in a preset and bang away...and that's it. God bless them.

Was the microkorg not designed to appeal to the Japanese market as well?
We'll see what the labels read in Japanese...or is it for the Japanese who are interested in western culture?
What does a Japanese hip hop preset sound like?

My second point about pushing your tools was a general observation about what I see in Japanese culture from a distance. They like to master stuff. They play Resident Evil (horror survival video game with zombies) and finish the game with only a knife- a very difficult thing to do. we want cheat codes even though the game has an easy setting. It's an overall reaction to the current state of music production and what I see from the future hopefuls.

When I look at what's available in terms of tools and resources I think to ask them "Just how easy do you want it?"

Tangent: I saw a late night show whose closing act was an Emo-Punk-Nerd band. I was facing away and heard the cheesiest lead sound so I turned to see what they were using and it was a keyboardist banging away at an Alesis Micron. He was over-playing and getting real dramatic like he was working it baby, yeah. I thought why play it live. I'd have thought you'd hookit up to some sort of full sized board instead of wailing on this little box and looking like a douche-bag. I bet he was playing a preset and thought we was so uncool he was cool.

The song sucked too- horrible main sound aside.

[supermel74]

When I told them the number one thing on the list was being able to move from playback to record without stopping the sequencer, they said "Hmm, yes we could do that, but why? Is it important?"

Wow so I pretty much have you to thank for that...Good job man, that's pretty much the greatest thing about the last OS. I'm a bit of a diehard RS7K user myself, it still stubbornly runs my rig, love it. To Ripe and Zamise, do you guys know if it's still possible to get the output expansion from anywhere? I really wanna max it out finally.

Cheers

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--YAMAIEB2

[Stab Frenzy]

I doubt if anyone is looking here either.

I think on specialist forums and email groups for the smaller companies, there is an influence, particularly perhaps in the software domain. Even so, I think companies are wary as there are usually a vociferous few pressing for chnages/ new features but they are not owners, have never played the synth and really don't have much understanding of what they are asking/demanding.

What do you think is causing the feature-creep of the Linndrum II? If they weren't listening to forums and user emails then it'd still be a kickarse drum machine and would be out already.