If you've got the CPU power to emulate electronic level circuitry, all those "flaws" of the circuitry will be included in the emulation, if desired. Making the flaws vary with time is rather easy compared to the rest of the emulation.
And as far as supercomputer being needed, I think the computers we all have on our desktops today are the supercomputers of 1990. My 3 GHz, 8 virtual core i2600K has as much power as a Cray did back in those days.
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The term VA should be abolished. Digital synths are amazing whether they be subtractive or whatever. If people are trying to copy Analogue then use a term to say so I guess. On the other hand... When the term VA came about, were people trying to emulate analogue then as well? I guess they just failed but the term stuck.
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There is a range of emulation quality when trying to model real-world items on a computer. It's not so much that they failed when the first VAs came out, they just were not on the upper range of quality emulation results perhaps. That said, I really liked the JP-8000 I had for a while, and the Virus KC I have is pretty amazing.
Interesting factoid about the Fairlight, they originally were trying to make what we would call a virtual analog synth when they started out developing it. They quickly realized that in 1977, even with dual 6800 CPUs, they could not calculate the waveforms needed to make an digitally recreated analog synth. When they began digital sampling, they had intended it only as a quick way to get waveforms into the machine so that could make sounds with it.
Interesting factoid about the Fairlight, they originally were trying to make what we would call a virtual analog synth when they started out developing it. They quickly realized that in 1977, even with dual 6800 CPUs, they could not calculate the waveforms needed to make an digitally recreated analog synth. When they began digital sampling, they had intended it only as a quick way to get waveforms into the machine so that could make sounds with it.
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The term "Virtual Analog" was first used and invented by Clavia to describe the first Nord Lead, they just didn't put a trademark on it.zoomtheline wrote:The term VA should be abolished. Digital synths are amazing whether they be subtractive or whatever. If people are trying to copy Analogue then use a term to say so I guess. On the other hand... When the term VA came about, were people trying to emulate analogue then as well? I guess they just failed but the term stuck.
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When I think of "digital synths" I think of the mid-late 80s stuff like the Ensoniqs, Roland D-50, PPG wave, DX7 (1+2), Korg Wavestation and the likes. Synths that didn't just emulate analog synths, just used a whole bunch of different technology like wavetables, or 99 waveforms for each oscillator and such.
VA synths are a different species in a way, since they try their hardest to emulate a certain filter type and oscillator sound to be as close to analogue as possible soundwise.
The 80s digital synths did something totally different, even if they still had envelopes, 2-3 oscillators and a lowpass/highpass filter, not just emulate old synths.
VA synths are a different species in a way, since they try their hardest to emulate a certain filter type and oscillator sound to be as close to analogue as possible soundwise.
The 80s digital synths did something totally different, even if they still had envelopes, 2-3 oscillators and a lowpass/highpass filter, not just emulate old synths.
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Wow really no one tried the simple trick of increasing the brightness of the pictures on Roland Website?
Ok so there are 4 machines :
The keyboard is the Roland SYSTEM-1 synthesizer (System 100 copy or call it whatever)
There is the TB-3 (TB303)
The TR8 (Tr-808/909)
And the VT-3 (Voice transformer - Whatever this is)
Kinda excited by the System-1 , What about you ?
Ok so there are 4 machines :
The keyboard is the Roland SYSTEM-1 synthesizer (System 100 copy or call it whatever)
There is the TB-3 (TB303)
The TR8 (Tr-808/909)
And the VT-3 (Voice transformer - Whatever this is)
Kinda excited by the System-1 , What about you ?
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Alphacode wrote:Wow really no one tried the simple trick of increasing the brightness of the pictures on Roland Website?
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yes, they did, A link to a picture where someone had already done that was posted pages ago.
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I can't shake the suspicion that all those lights are going to get super annoying in practical use - hopefully there's a way to turn them off.
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No...Alphacode wrote: Kinda excited by the System-1 , What about you ?
I'm only interested in the drum machine, not because of my desire for an 808/909 (I have owned them both, sampled them, and then sold them). My desire is to have a stand alone drum machine that can sequence an external synth. The only stand alone drum machine that I know can sequence an external synth, that was made in the last 5 years, that is not an Akia MPC or I have to hook up to a computer is the Elektron Machinedrum. If I can not sequence an external synth via MIDI, I have no interest in this machine.
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Technically the mD can sequence 16 external synths... 
In a seriousness the voice thing does lookcool
In a seriousness the voice thing does lookcool
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Do you know how hilariously pompous and pretentious you sound?wiss wrote:If I can not sequence an external synth via MIDI, I have no interest in this machine.Alphacode wrote: Kinda excited by the System-1 , What about you ?
Edit: whoa people, guess I didn't use the right words. His reasoning is fine, just meant the language itself.
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Yeah, man, only snobs determine their interest in a piece of gear by how well it suits their needs!Kidney05 wrote:Do you know how hilariously pompous and pretentious you sound?
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It's pretty simple, I have limited resources and space. The equipment I purchase must meet my individual and very specific needs. If this makes me pompous and pretentious, so be it.Kidney05 wrote:Do you know how hilariously pompous and pretentious you sound?wiss wrote:If I can not sequence an external synth via MIDI, I have no interest in this machine.Alphacode wrote: Kinda excited by the System-1 , What about you ?
If the new Drum Machine by Roland can sequence an external synth, then damn it, I will be pretty excited.
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Do you know how hilariously pompous and pretentious you sound?
Those aint the right two adjectives, but it's strange to make such a bold announcement and concern for such and slim margin. If you were worried about:
1) Cost, then I bet MANY would echo your sentiment.....
2) How it sounds IN COMPARISON, then you'd have a ton of shared hopefuls....
3) How it simply functions as A DAMN DRUM MACHINE...
4) How simple, intuitive and/or knob-laden the surface was...
5) How many lights the M'fer has.....
Anything...um....normal....but with everyone knowing so little, you boldly step forward and proclaim...
something...probably....no one cares about....and seeing there's probably soooooo much already that can sequence a bunch of synths....I dunno if....awww you get the idea......
With all this speculation, that's your stumbling block???
I'm sorry, it is kinda funny.
But it would be hilarious if you got one early and your review demo video was you ONLY sequencing other synths and skipping all the drum machine aspects. All the comments would be angry versions of the last 26 pages.
Those aint the right two adjectives, but it's strange to make such a bold announcement and concern for such and slim margin. If you were worried about:
1) Cost, then I bet MANY would echo your sentiment.....
2) How it sounds IN COMPARISON, then you'd have a ton of shared hopefuls....
3) How it simply functions as A DAMN DRUM MACHINE...
4) How simple, intuitive and/or knob-laden the surface was...
5) How many lights the M'fer has.....
Anything...um....normal....but with everyone knowing so little, you boldly step forward and proclaim...
something...probably....no one cares about....and seeing there's probably soooooo much already that can sequence a bunch of synths....I dunno if....awww you get the idea......
With all this speculation, that's your stumbling block???
I'm sorry, it is kinda funny.
But it would be hilarious if you got one early and your review demo video was you ONLY sequencing other synths and skipping all the drum machine aspects. All the comments would be angry versions of the last 26 pages.
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The Tanzbär can sequence an external synth too I believe, as can the Octatrack which isn't strictly a drum machine but I use it as one and it does a great job of it.wiss wrote:No...Alphacode wrote: Kinda excited by the System-1 , What about you ?
I'm only interested in the drum machine, not because of my desire for an 808/909 (I have owned them both, sampled them, and then sold them). My desire is to have a stand alone drum machine that can sequence an external synth. The only stand alone drum machine that I know can sequence an external synth, that was made in the last 5 years, that is not an Akia MPC or I have to hook up to a computer is the Elektron Machinedrum. If I can not sequence an external synth via MIDI, I have no interest in this machine.