Way Out Ware KikAXXE -also lag

Jabberwalky · Post by **Jabberwalky** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:26 pm

http://www.wayoutware.com/
Emulation of Arp Axxe

Mark Motherbaugh has even been quoted saying
"It makes me want to write a new DEVO song"

This softsynth sounds like an analog dream. I'm really enjoying using it, however it really seems to eat away at the CPU. What's the best way to conquer these cpu hog vsts? More ram? an ASIO Card?

krushing · Post by **krushing** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:41 am

If it eats CPU, you need a faster CPU. Simple like that.

Bitexion · Post by **Bitexion** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:36 am

A new soundcard won't do anything with CPU capacity, there is nothing in the soundcard that will "take over" from the CPU. ASIO drivers can be installed to almost any soundcard anyways, and get very little lag. But the Soundblaster cards in general are not great for audio processing, because Creative only focusses on good output and give f**k all about the MIDI inputs. Mostly gamers buy those cards anyways, they think.

More audio-directed cards are for instance the M-Audio or Terratec series. They usually have several analog inputs and outputs too. And ASIO drivers work even better with those.

Wayoutware have superb analog emulations, but they are so true to the original sound that many people think they sound bad. Mostly the sound of the old ARPs is mystified and over-glorified by people who haven't played the original synths. Then they try the ARP2600V by Arturia (which sounds more like their Moog synths than anything else), and go "HEY, this TimeWARP2600 thing sounds like s**t! Arturia's is much better!". Because that doesn't sound like an ARP synth at all.

deb76 · Post by **deb76** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:25 pm

I'm really enjoying using it

Yes, I like this emulation. It achieves excellent sequences and at the same time, it is very pleasant to use.

gunnare · Post by **gunnare** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:27 am

Bitexion wrote: Wayoutware have superb analog emulations, but they are so true to the original sound that many people think they sound bad. Mostly the sound of the old ARPs is mystified and over-glorified by people who haven't played the original synths. Then they try the ARP2600V by Arturia (which sounds more like their Moog synths than anything else), and go "HEY, this TimeWARP2600 thing sounds like s**t! Arturia's is much better!". Because that doesn't sound like an ARP synth at all.

Hello!

Please read this article from Sound on Sound to get better informed:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug06/a ... mewarp.htm

But even so I will tend to agree that many people will get disappointed when they try a real analogue synth for the first time. When I first tried the moog voyager in the shop it was a big disappointment. I sounded so thin.

All the best
gunnare

MitchK1989 · Post by **MitchK1989** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:14 am

gunnare wrote:
Bitexion wrote: Wayoutware have superb analog emulations, but they are so true to the original sound that many people think they sound bad. Mostly the sound of the old ARPs is mystified and over-glorified by people who haven't played the original synths. Then they try the ARP2600V by Arturia (which sounds more like their Moog synths than anything else), and go "HEY, this TimeWARP2600 thing sounds like s**t! Arturia's is much better!". Because that doesn't sound like an ARP synth at all.
Hello!

Please read this article from Sound on Sound to get better informed:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug06/a ... mewarp.htm

But even so I will tend to agree that many people will get disappointed when they try a real analogue synth for the first time. When I first tried the moog voyager in the shop it was a big disappointment. I sounded so thin.

All the best
gunnare

I wouldn't pick arturia over wayoutware just because soundonsound said so... They say a lot of stupid things, just like any magazine... It's all about who the ad money comes from...

Post by **WDW** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:42 pm

In my A-B-C-D-E tests between TimewARP, ARP 2600V, an ARP 2600P V3, an ARP 2601 V1, and an ARP 2601 V2, the TimewARP was closest to all of the hardware 2600s (but sounded most like the ARP 2601 V1).

WD

Post by **WDW** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:45 pm

By the way, when testing the soft synths, it is imperative to disable the effects. Yes, I realize that that seems obvious, but one would be surprised how many people don't think of it.

The effects-laden sounds of the ARP 2600V are a far cry from what a dry ARP 2600 sounds like. Turn off the effects, and it instantly gets a lot closer.

WD

Bitexion · Post by **Bitexion** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:58 pm

I would never change my opinion about anything just because some magazine writes that "you're wrong". A review is made by one single person, and it's his opinions, not the universal truth.

Post by **WDW** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:21 pm

Back onto the topic of this thread...

Jabberwalky, what are your computer system's specs?

WD

RavenSmith · Post by **RavenSmith** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:32 am

Bitexion wrote:Wayoutware have superb analog emulations, but they are so true to the original sound that many people think they sound bad. Mostly the sound of the old ARPs is mystified and over-glorified by people who haven't played the original synths. Then they try the ARP2600V by Arturia (which sounds more like their Moog synths than anything else), and go "HEY, this TimeWARP2600 thing sounds like s**t! Arturia's is much better!". Because that doesn't sound like an ARP synth at all.

Man that is so true you have no idea just how many people think that, it just says one thing, that the majority of people have no clue what real analog synths sound like, let alone differentiate between them.

I dunno if it's the raw sound of TimewARP2600 or something else completely, but apparently the rawness and the 'analogness' of it is just too much for some people and they prefer the softness of Arturia synths. Thinking that that is real analog.

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gunnare wrote:Hello!

Please read this article from Sound on Sound to get better informed:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug06/a ... mewarp.htm

That article is a pretty c**p review, don't so easily believe everything u read in a magazine, instead read these:

http://emusician.com/sftinstruments/emu ... p__macwin/

http://remixmag.com/mag/remix_ware_timewarp/

http://www.pluginz.com/product/12621

diezdiazgiant · Post by **diezdiazgiant** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:49 am

Bitexion wrote:Wayoutware have superb analog emulations, but they are so true to the original sound that many people think they sound bad. Mostly the sound of the old ARPs is mystified and over-glorified by people who haven't played the original synths. Then they try the ARP2600V by Arturia (which sounds more like their Moog synths than anything else), and go "HEY, this TimeWARP2600 thing sounds like s**t! Arturia's is much better!". Because that doesn't sound like an ARP synth at all.

haha that reminds me alot of when i read some stupid music "culture" magazine like xclr8r or urb when a review tries to sum the whole album in a short paragraph with stupid a*s buzzwords... i cant count how many times ive read reviews for someone like daedelus or some other musician thats known to use nothing but laptops and for the reviewer who has never even used a synth to use the phrase "oh this record just screams with analog goodness..."

ha bullshit lazy writing.

but this is really detouring off topic...

MitchK1989 · Post by **MitchK1989** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:56 am

I can't believe they used interlock pace to copyprotect such an inexpensive plugin.

gfriden · Post by **gfriden** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:50 pm

Anyone compared the sound of the Kickaxxe to the real thing? Just curious to know how close this gets to the original sound wise.

Bitexion · Post by **Bitexion** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:50 am

There is a review of the Kikaxxe in latest Sound on Sound. You find the article on the website, but it's eSub (pay to view).

"For the purposes of the review, I placed my Mac next to my original ARP Axxe, and ran Kik Axxe as a stand-alone application, as a VSTi within Plogue Bidule and as an AU within Plogue Bidule. In each case it worked correctly, which I found surprising for a version 1.0 product. I directed the outputs from the Axxe and the Mac to adjacent channels on my mixer with all EQ and effects defeated, and then attempted to set up the same sounds on each. The results were not identical but, if I ignored the physical positions of the faders (the calibrations of the controls are quite different), I was able to reproduce the sounds of the Axxe... the sounds of the Axxe..."

and that's all we got for free. But I guess he says it does sound like the original if you don't try to copy patches slider by slider, because they are not calibrated the same.