[Question to PPG Wave geeks] How to create that sound?

[Jazzyman17]

Hello! Newbie here.
First of all very nice forum here. See you like to talk about what synth in which production was used back then, so definitely my cup of tea, moreover very generous people here eager to help. Well...

You probably know Axel Breitung, the producer for Silent Circle. That guy in the 80's made sounds using only the PPG Wave. It's crazy...
To the point. I like to play around with my PPG Wave emulation (Waldorf) to challenge myself to make those iconic Axel's sounds. And one of them seems to me to be not too easy to recreate, I mean that "quasi-strat guitar" (examples below).
As far as I'm informed, that type of sound may be created with the 031 Piano/Sax wave. But situation complicates when it goes to set knobs in right way, because Piano/Sax is very sensitive, each degree makes much different sound and, moreover... Am I right that wave contains an additional transient on certain degrees? Then to that there appear sub-waves and keyboard mode setting possibilities. So... If anyone here knows PPG Wave very well then I need an advice what could I do.
If to set sub-waves on offset or direct or ENV3? If to work with sub-waves at all? Which keyboard mode to set (dual, quad, mono)? Or maybe it's other wave, not Piano/Sax? Or maybe it's a sample from waveterm , what I doubt in, since in each of Axel's songs that "guitar" sounds slightly different. One more very important thing is that Axel usually mixed the sound made on synth with samples from Waveterm.
Well, that's your thoughts on this?
Here are the examples (One Drive):
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Akor08trBL8kgRFla-TZYPM2pDW1

[madtheory]

My thoughts are it's not coming from a PPG wavetable. It sounds quite static. Like a sample. Could he have used the Waveterm too?

[Jazzyman17]

My thoughts are it's not coming from a PPG wavetable. It sounds quite static. Like a sample.

You know, in this case I'd love to present you my trials. I succeed to create very similar ones, but give me a while, maybe I will manage to get closer. But don't you know that Wavetable makes sampler-sounding static sounds? Cause it uses 8-bit wave samples for synthesis.

[madtheory]

Yes, it can do both can't it? You can play the "transient" as PPG call the sample. This is like a regular sampler. Or you can analyse it to make a wavetable of a single cycle section.

[ppg_wavecomputer]

https://bishopsongs.de/interview_keys.php

He mentions the acquisition of the Wave and the Waveterm with 8" discs -- must have been a Waveterm A then.

The PPG is unfathomable. That's the fun of it.

Stephen

[madtheory]

The PPG is unfathomable. That's the fun of it.

Agreed

[AnalogKid]

How do you make this PPG bass sound? The bass kicks in at 0:14. This is one of my favorite synth bass parts.

[Jazzyman17]

How do you make this PPG bass sound? The bass kicks in at 0:14. This is one of my favorite synth bass parts.

Owowow, sounds definitely like the 013 Clipper waveform.
So set this waveform and then ADSR envelope for VCF so make that sound accenting strongly.
Set the type for quad maybe and make the one of voices 3 octaves higher.

[Jazzyman17]

madtheory, ppg_wavecomputer
I get you guys. I see now how much it's compicated.
Well... Some strat-guitar samples from Waveterm A 8" disc seem to be promising and then the theory is born if he took that particular sample and modified a lot. But from the other hand I know that he used A LOT those basic 32 wavetables... I mean you can hear which particularly wavetable he used for each instrument like Clipper for the bass or Synth Mallet for quasi-marimbas. That's why I wanted to engaged in it the geeks of the geeks when it comes to PPG Wave synthesis who spent a half of the life turning knobs on it and know the recipe for a particular sound.
Moreover I BARELY turned out the sound I wanna reach (as I mentioned, I was turning it on Piano/Sax wave), BARELY, which made me feel like there's huge probability it's Piano/Sax wavetable.
But thanks for a response!

[jimi loooggg]

I am very interested in this topic myself, but recently I came across this video. It seemed to me very high-quality among all that are on the Internet

[Jazzyman17]

I am very interested in this topic myself, but recently I came across this video. It seemed to me very high-quality among all that are on the Internet

Thank you for recommending me that guy!
Well, that DEMO is now the demo stage, of course and it's sounding just good.
But seeing on that guy's channel how he turns his demos into such masterworks, I really wonder how that Silent Circle will sound at the final stage!
Definitely will follow that guy! Thanks!